No, I'm not a priori against illegal substances, and I'm open to discuss legalizing them.

But if the only people asking for their legalization are idiots who keep considering their consumption innocent, while funding the author of heinous crimes, then I don't expect a very interesting discussion.

On the other side, when a doctor proposes marijuana to help their patients, well, that may be worth changing our laws to accommodate.

And your strawman is absolutely annoying, seeking some sort of ridiculous purity. I don't consume any drugs (but I'm not saying I won't ever, just that I'm not interested at this point) but I'm still for this so there you go. You even got your pure example.

Google Glenn greenwald debates bush drug Czar on war on drugs. It addresses your strawmen.

In any case, you've shown to not have arguments but strawmen and ad Homs and the only thing you consider is what is already legal.

Worst of all is your righteousness. You don't care about cartels or people or you wouldn't focus on "idiots who take drugs".

In any case. GG covers it all pretty nicely.

Quick Edit: let's not even talk about the way politicians and powerful people can use drugs without the same consequences as normal or poorer people.

I'd like to point out a very important detail: I'm not insulting people for wanting to enjoy themselves. No, not at all!

But people are idiots when they don't see the connection between the dollars they pay for their fix and the monstrosities that are committed with those same dollars.

And, if they do see the connection and do not care, that they are criminals.

I do understand and justify, though, those people who use marijuana for medical conditions (physical and/or mental pain) and cannot find it legally.

They are only incidentally supporting organized crime because the market has been pushed underground by draconian legislation. The current legal status of various substances is an extremely recent invention, it might as well been yesterday in terms of human history of drug use.

Users of these substances are temporarily routing around a roadblock during a brief period of human history where the nanny state is interfering with these personal choices. Claiming that they're willfully funding organized crime is disingenuous at best.

When it does not infringe a human right, and most people can follow it, a law cannot be considered draconian.

> excessively harsh and severe

It's about severity, which you can debate. It's not about human rights or being followed.

There is no excessive severity in a law that most people can follow while leaving a full life.

We don't share it.

Drug cartels exist due to those things being illegal AND people keeping giving money to them.

You removed the choice.

I love how authortiarians think that they'll get exactly their way. Suddenly laws of supply and demand disappear and they can shape the world at their pleasure.

Authoritarians? I'm talking about democracies!

Where most people want marijuana, it gets legal. Where it doesn't, it's because people at large don't want it. That's it!

People can protest, and we can and must discuss, but pouring money in organized crime for a non-need is not justifiable.

"People at large don't want", after the government spent decades brainwashing the population about the supposed dangers of drugs with sustained propaganda? By that standard North Korea and Russia are fully democratic countries, too, the population just happens to support things that their governments are doing!

Please, not that rhetoric again! Do you even know what a democracy is?

Or in a free society, people that want it, get it. People that don't, choose not to get it. Authoritarian is saying "I don't like it, so I will force you not to have it". The right to control one's body is a pretty fundamental freedom. You aren't supposed to be able to vote to take away the freedom of others. In an extreme example, you can't vote to make slavery legal. Laws can be immoral and unethical, and breaking those laws does not automatically make the law breaker unjustified.