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Re:U.S. Senate bill crafted with DEA targets end-to-end encr... by immibis on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:49AM (#36843904)
Wish granted, but I just discovered a substance people can drink that sends them into a blind rage where they shoot everyone they can see for the next five hours, because it feels very good to them. People are getting addicted to the good feeling of shooting people while on stuff. Don't you think we should ban it?
Re:U.S. Senate bill crafted with DEA targets end-to-end encr... by KAMSPioneer on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:58AM (#36843980)
Why? Shooting people is already super illegal.

You could also easily just slap liability to the seller of known harmful substances (see the sibling to your comment) or enforce warning labels as on tobacco products (eg "this product makes you shoot people and shooting people will get your thrown in jail").

Re:U.S. Senate bill crafted with DEA targets end-to-end encr... by rightbyte on Monday July 24, 2023 @03:31AM (#36844210)
You also will get problems with pesticides etc that are really bad for the environment with an dogmatic ban ban on drugs.
Re:U.S. Senate bill crafted with DEA targets end-to-end encr... by immibis on Monday July 24, 2023 @03:11AM (#36844069)
> Why? Shooting people is already super illegal.

Wouldn't it be good to prevent the shootings before they happen?

Re:U.S. Senate bill crafted with DEA targets end-to-end encr... by KAMSPioneer on Monday July 24, 2023 @03:17AM (#36844109)
Sure it would. Ohhh, ya got me.

But this thread is about how the cure is often worse than the disease with prohibition. See: 18th Amendment, War on Drugs. Concocting a hypothetical scenario where the drug is Disney-villian evil and enforcement is not an unmitigated disaster is hardly a decisive rhetorical victory, wouldn't you say?

Re:U.S. Senate bill crafted with DEA targets end-to-end encr... by immibis on Monday July 24, 2023 @03:22AM (#36844143)
It's a rhetorical victory against outright banning all prohibition of substances.
Re:U.S. Senate bill crafted with DEA targets end-to-end encr... by lucianbr on Monday July 24, 2023 @06:28AM (#36845560)
The proposed constitutional amendment would fail hard in the given hypothetical situation. There was no "often" or any other nuance in it.

It _is_ a decisive rhetorical victory, even if you don't like it.

Re:U.S. Senate bill crafted with DEA targets end-to-end encr... by KAMSPioneer on Monday July 24, 2023 @08:03AM (#36846529)
Is it? My point is twofold:

1) The scenario proposed seems...outlandish. I could argue for a host of provisions in law or the Constitution based on the possibility of widespread development of bulletproof skin, but I fail to see the utility of doing so.

2) Even within the hypothetical, it is possible (I would argue probable) that banning the evil rage drug would simply make the situation worse than alternative solutions, in which case the proposed amendment would be a positive.

Edit: You could argue that the above amendment is also ridiculously unlikely to pass and isn't worth debating either. You'd probably be right.

Re:U.S. Senate bill crafted with DEA targets end-to-end encr... by HPsquared on Monday July 24, 2023 @03:45AM (#36844310)
Slapping liability seems like a good strategy for a lot of things.
Re:U.S. Senate bill crafted with DEA targets end-to-end encr... by ajmurmann on Monday July 24, 2023 @03:38AM (#36844258)
I recent saw a statistic that showed that a large percentage of violence happens while people are drunk. Should we ban alcohol again as well?
Re:U.S. Senate bill crafted with DEA targets end-to-end encr... by roenxi on Monday July 24, 2023 @07:09AM (#36845939)
1) I hope you aren't basing your policy positions on situations that involve completely hypothetical substances.

2) No I don't think we would need to ban it. Allow people who want to use it to lock themselves in a cell for 12 hours and rage against some padded walls. There probably would be a thriving market for that sort of thing [0]. We let people drink and if you drink and drive someone will probably die - the solution is not to let people drive after drinking. You're basically describing a strong form of alcohol. We already tolerate this sort of risk.

If you want to argue that a substance exists that is so terrible that people who consume it need to be locked up, you should name the substance and provide some argument for why it is so bad. The present state is locking people up for no obvious reason.

[0] https://thesmashroom.com.au/