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Re:Big change for some Clear users: TSA will soon require yo... by rolph on Saturday July 22, 2023 @02:33PM (#36828547)
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Re:Big change for some Clear users: TSA will soon require yo... by toomuchtodo on Saturday July 22, 2023 @03:30PM (#36829053)
It’s all silly theater. CLEAR has revenue share deals with airports to allow you to cut the TSA line. The TSA is already rolling out identity verification similar to what CLEAR tried to implement. TSA identity proofing is still the requirement.

Folks need to ask airports why CLEAR gets to collect fiat for the performance to enable security screening line cutting.

Re:Big change for some Clear users: TSA will soon require yo... by metadat on Saturday July 22, 2023 @03:50PM (#36829201)
Agreed, it's shady or at least questionable why a singular private entity has been handed a monopoly position blessed by the government to exchange money for line cutting at every major airport.

How did this contract come to exist? How does this further the interest of taxpayers?

Re:Big change for some Clear users: TSA will soon require yo... by vrosas on Saturday July 22, 2023 @03:53PM (#36829225)
Same with EZPass
Re:Big change for some Clear users: TSA will soon require yo... by wildzzz on Saturday July 22, 2023 @04:29PM (#36829585)
You can usually avoid paying the toll if you carpool or drive a motorcycle or just don't take that highway during peak hours. There's almost always public transit along an express lane so you could take that too. It unreasonable and inefficient to allow single-occupancy vehicles to use all lanes of traffic at all times on busy roads.
Re:Big change for some Clear users: TSA will soon require yo... by macNchz on Saturday July 22, 2023 @03:59PM (#36829289)
EZ Pass is a cooperative partnership between all of the participating toll agencies, not a private corporation.
Re:Big change for some Clear users: TSA will soon require yo... by NotYourLawyer on Saturday July 22, 2023 @03:51PM (#36829210)
Paying money to skip lines seems fine.
Re:Big change for some Clear users: TSA will soon require yo... by toomuchtodo on Saturday July 22, 2023 @03:53PM (#36829227)
Edit: xp84’s comment is a more eloquent representation of the situation.

Agree to disagree in this instance (I find the identity proofing theater part distasteful for some reason). I’m going to keep writing congressional reps and pressuring airport authorities on these concession agreements. CLEAR isn’t solidly profitable (refer to their 10-Ks, NYSE: $YOU), so hopefully the end of this practice is in sight considering a rising interest rate environment and the TSA implementing such proofing directly.

Just call it airport fastpass if you’re going to enable the practice. Still gross, just more honest.

(Strong opinions on the topic; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini's_law )

Re:Big change for some Clear users: TSA will soon require yo... by xp84 on Saturday July 22, 2023 @03:58PM (#36829283)
Assuming I agree with your premise, which some might find deeply disturbing in the context of government, doesn’t it seem shady that this one for-profit private company is deputized to offer this service? I too want to know the terms, and at least whether these contracts are up for bid regularly. If I were the negotiator for the government side, I’d feel obliged to cap subscriber fees as a condition of the deal, and also to encourage multiple companies to compete for the contracts on how much of the revenue they’ll give the government/airport. The lack of competitors makes it seem like a sweetheart deal.
Re:Big change for some Clear users: TSA will soon require yo... by bliteben on Saturday July 22, 2023 @03:59PM (#36829284)
Seems like paying to create two classes of citizens
Re:Big change for some Clear users: TSA will soon require yo... by CogitoCogito on Saturday July 22, 2023 @07:17PM (#36830906)
Why is there a separate company involved? What service are they even providing?
Re:Big change for some Clear users: TSA will soon require yo... by Xorakios on Saturday July 22, 2023 @08:01PM (#36831216)
perhaps at theme parks or bribing bouncers/maitre's d

not at government checkpoints

Re:Big change for some Clear users: TSA will soon require yo... by zippergz on Saturday July 22, 2023 @03:47PM (#36829181)
As a long time CLEAR user, I don't find this to be a very "big change." They've intermittently asked to see ID in the past. It adds maybe 10 seconds to the transaction. Not showing ID is not the primary value. It's skipping the line. At busy times in busy airports, CLEAR + PreCheck is much faster than PreCheck alone. An ID check is not going to change that.
Re:Big change for some Clear users: TSA will soon require yo... by vrosas on Saturday July 22, 2023 @03:51PM (#36829211)
I was randomly ID checked with Clear this morning in fact. You just hand them your license, they scan it and hand it back. Nbd
Re:Big change for some Clear users: TSA will soon require yo... by salawat on Saturday July 22, 2023 @09:07PM (#36831613)
So... Let me get this straight.

You handed over biometric information with the express purpose of getting out of the security theater; they have your info, they are now reapplying the security theater you originally made the (poor, in my estimation, for the reason being we'd end up at circumstances necessitating this convo anyway) decision to hand over your biometric info for, and you aren't getting bent out of shape?

I'd be livid, personally.

Re:Big change for some Clear users: TSA will soon require yo... by throwaway81348 on Sunday July 23, 2023 @01:55PM (#36837855)
You handed over biometrics to skip the line. Nothing more
Re:Big change for some Clear users: TSA will soon require yo... by eduction on Saturday July 22, 2023 @03:54PM (#36829243)
At this point it’s just legalized bribery and apartheid (how many Muslims pass the screening? How many Yemenis?).

The TSA should be abolished but if it’s going to exist it should be equally efficient (or miserable) for everyone.

Re:Big change for some Clear users: TSA will soon require yo... by wildzzz on Saturday July 22, 2023 @04:22PM (#36829521)
CLEAR doesn't do any background check. You are just paying to get your own VIP line up to the checkpoint. You still have to talk to the TSA agent and show your ID. CLEAR doesn't even get you to the front of the precheck line unless you've paid for that as well. The line for precheck is usually shorter and quicker but you still have to talk to the TSA agent. The precheck checkpoints will usually just use metal detectors instead of bodyscanners and you get to keep your shoes on and your electronics in your bag, overall making the line move quicker.

The TSA does publish a list of disqualifying items for Precheck. As long as you fill out the forms truthfully, the disqualifications pretty much all revolve around the questions "do you have a felony record?" and "are you on any interpol or government watchlist?" If the answer is no to both, chances are you'll pass the precheck investigation. It's not like they send out agents to talk to you neighbors, friends, and coworkers so it's really just a records search. If you're on a government watchlist, you've got bigger problems than long lines at the airport. Of course there's always the situation of mistaken identity but there's already a system in place for that with the DHS redress numbers.

If you routinely get SSSS on your tickets, it's probably a good idea to get a redress number. Even if you do get precheck, there's still a possibility of getting demoted to regular security and a possible SSSS stamp if something about your trip is "suspicious" like multiple one-way tickets booked for a non-family group.

Re:Big change for some Clear users: TSA will soon require yo... by freitzkriesler2 on Saturday July 22, 2023 @04:01PM (#36829300)
Waiting for a politician to run on a platform of rolling back all of this nonsense to pre 911. No nudie scanners, no enhanced gropings erm patdowns, just good ol effective measures like reinforced cockpit doors.

All of these measures do didly to stop weapons.

Re:Big change for some Clear users: TSA will soon require yo... by klardotsh on Saturday July 22, 2023 @04:42PM (#36829705)
The problem is that, for most politicians, this kind of campaign would be political suicide. One particular side of the typical US political spectrum are already screaming at the top of their lungs about how the US is apparently the wild west with grandmas getting gunned down in the middle of the street (despite generally lacking evidence to support the claim), anyone running on a "looser on potential crime" campaign is going to get eaten alive in a primary or general.

It's hostage politics (we all have to deal with this nonsense because of a few loud loonies), but that also generally describes US politics as a whole for the past nearly-decade.

Re:Big change for some Clear users: TSA will soon require yo... by isykt on Saturday July 22, 2023 @05:15PM (#36830031)
TSA is jobs program. Never getting rolled back.
Re:Big change for some Clear users: TSA will soon require yo... by kayson on Saturday July 22, 2023 @06:13PM (#36830473)
Every time I go to the airport I'm shocked by how many clear employee's there are just standing around. Their company history[1] is quite interesting too. An identity verification company bought out of bankruptcy that now pulls in $500MM a year in revenue but spends $560MM? Seems like they're trying to pull an uber

1: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear_Secure

Re:Big change for some Clear users: TSA will soon require yo... by cameldrv on Saturday July 22, 2023 @06:27PM (#36830566)
Clear makes a big deal about their biometric auth, but the point of clear is cutting the security line.