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Re:Become Ungoogleable by distortedsignal on Thursday July 20, 2023 @02:52PM (#36805005)
Yeah - I think that "commercialization and commodification" is kind of what I've attributed this to. I think the webring concept is probably the best way to get away from this, but it's not trivial to find those hidden gems. The good ones become/became less hidden. The bad ones get/got buried.

But if these are the complaints about Google - "I only see sites that are so good that they constitute the mainstream" - I'm... ok with that? That seems like a good outcome to me. I don't mind using that tool.

From what I understand of your complaint, sometime in the last 20 years, the Google stopped finding outsider art. I would guess that's due to SEO. And with anything that's known to drive revenue to a business, that sort of thing becomes a target. So people target the Google algorithm to place better. I don't know that there's a solution to that. But I don't think it's because of a change inside Google - more like a change in society.

Re:Become Ungoogleable by abathur on Thursday July 20, 2023 @03:41PM (#36805691)
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Re:Become Ungoogleable by deltarholamda on Thursday July 20, 2023 @03:42PM (#36805696)
You make me sound like Grumpy Old Man Yells At Clouds, and that's accurate, but I'm not wrong, I don't like the look of them clouds.

It is possible that this is a problem that will solve itself. I think a lot (most?) mainstream media outlets are hemorrhaging money, and the gravy train can't go on forever. We'll reach some maximum of Terrible Crap, and it will peter out, and then maybe Google can get back to finding honest content and playing merry hell with Internet standards.

Re:Become Ungoogleable by JohnFen on Thursday July 20, 2023 @03:16PM (#36805358)
> "I only see sites that are so good that they constitute the mainstream"

The problem as I see it is that the mainstream websites are not good. Search results that gave a broader range of hits than just that sort of thing would be much, much more useful.

If I want, for example, to find what laptops people consider the best, none of those sites help me.

Re:Become Ungoogleable by ghaff on Thursday July 20, 2023 @03:38PM (#36805649)
Because the "mainstream" sites pay people pennies a word to crank out content like "best gaming laptops."

There are sites that do some good gear reviews for relatively specialized equipment--especially not gadget/electronics. But this isn't the 1990s when PC Magazine would have a 600-page issue with a big chunk devoted to the best printers as evaluated by their on-payroll staff.

I'll occasionally put a review of something up on my site but I have neither the money or interest in doing multi-product comparisons. That's pretty much impractical outside of something like Wirecutter (which I generally think does a pretty good job).

Re:Become Ungoogleable by distortedsignal on Thursday July 20, 2023 @03:48PM (#36805792)
Help me out here - could you give me examples of "what laptops people consider the best" pages that <i>aren't</i> in the top of Google? I still don't understand, and I want to.
Re:Become Ungoogleable by __loam on Thursday July 20, 2023 @07:14PM (#36808069)
Sometimes you can get an answer that's better and filtered through actual experience by adding reddit to the search query, but if you're explicitly buying consumer goods, idk why he would be surprised that that result would be a bunch of hyper commercial listicles.
Re:Become Ungoogleable by shafoshaf on Thursday July 20, 2023 @03:48PM (#36805798)
The other problem is that for every "good" non-mainstream website there are like 4000 that are so much worse than the mainstream. It is a problem with scale. If everyone has a voice, without some metric to say who has authority, how do you pick the gem from the masses?