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Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by CraigRo on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @05:50PM (#36793959)
This statement is a bit misleading, as the criteria get to be hair-splittingly narrow when you are talking about a school with a sub 5% acceptance rate -- you could fill the whole class with valedictorians. Nevertheless, my experience is that in terms of finding a 'better' candidate:

Legacy -- legacy preference is pitched as a tiebreaker. Most of the legacies are actually quite good, and many are exceptional, so perhaps 30-50% got in over some 'better' kid. But in many cases, those slots represent something like geographic diversity, or a legacy kid of a minority or a kid of some famous person, and they generally don't take dolts. So this is not a huge tip.

FacBrat -- The kids of professors tend to be extremely and sometimes extraordinarily good -- their parents are Harvard professors, and that tends to rub off. Staff members less so, but it is politically hard to reject them if you want to keep their parents. There are more in the second category than in the first. So perhaps 60% of the kids get in based on this tip.

Donor -- Not a lot of these that I know of. Even in the 1930s, the son of the President of IBM got rejected from Harvard and Princeton because he was a goof off. I seriously doubt that there are more than 10-20 kids/year who get in this way who wouldn't otherwise.

Athlete -- This is where very few of these kids would get in if they were in the general pool -- 10% max I'd guess. A lot of them are very good, but that level of dedication to sport tends to eat time that could have been used for academics or other worthwhile pursuits.

I've always been amazed that they recruit for Golf, Squash, Crew, Fencing, Diving, Tennis, Lax, and Water Polo... these sports are limited to prep schools and rich suburban districts ... not exactly equitable.

Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by whimsicalism on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @06:07PM (#36794143)
Your comment is pretty spot on about the admission dynamics.

> Legacy

I think it is more of a tip than you are making it out to be simply due to yield farming - the smart kid who has a Harvard parent is more likely to go to Harvard over Yale than a generic smart kid, so if you want to keep your admission rates as low as possible you tip legacy.

> 10-20 kids/year who get in this way who wouldn't otherwise.

They certainly exist, Harvard has the z-list.

Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by meetingthrower on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @06:48PM (#36794580)
Hah just heard that come up in another context. Confirmed. Heard the price tag was $3m and you have to take a gap year.
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by whimsicalism on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @08:03PM (#36795257)
I don’t know what the price tag is but the gap year thing is true, the people I was familiar with had billionaires as parents.
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by robinbobbin on Thursday July 20, 2023 @05:00AM (#36798253)
why do you have to take a gap year?
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by whimsicalism on Thursday July 20, 2023 @11:49AM (#36802278)
they admit you off of the waitlist if your family donates a lot but i think they get to not count it in this years numbers or next years if they give you a deferred acceptance
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by CraigRo on Thursday July 20, 2023 @06:29AM (#36798731)
One special gifts officer told me that the U had rejected a rather limited number of people whose families had 8 billion dollars.

3 million might get you into Brown, but it isn't going to get you into Harvard.

Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by meetingthrower on Thursday July 20, 2023 @04:46PM (#36806518)
I think this is a "we call you" situation, so if the kid is on the bubble they ask for the bribe. It doesn't work the other way if the kid is unqualified. No more Kushners...