Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega...
by cataphract on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @04:47PM
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Well, depends on the day. See the Trump v. Hawaii (the Muslim ban case). In this case Trump did say he wanted to ban muslims, but it didn't even matter.
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega...
by tick_tock_tick on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @05:05PM
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I mean why would it? The law explicitly stated he's allowed to ban immigration and travel of non USA persons based on whatever he feels like. Non USA persons don't get the same rights especially around entering the USA.
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega...
by rayiner on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @07:26PM
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That’s funny because Trump v. Hawaii proves the opposite. Obama was the one who identified those specific countries. They just happened to all be Muslim. Trump said he wanted to ban Muslims, but did so by using a list of countries that Obama had generated based on presumably non-racist reasons.
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega...
by belorn on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @05:11PM
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gerrymandered district maps can get struck down on the basis of intention of racial discrimination. Correlation and intent are two very different concepts, and it is very dangerous to assume that everything that correlates do so by intent.
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega...
by digging on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @06:58PM
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> it is very dangerous to assume that everything that correlates do so by intent.
Yes but it is much more dangerous to assume that correlation can't imply intent. Because sometimes it does.
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega...
by belorn on Thursday July 20, 2023 @07:52AM
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Indeed. Once a situation is suspected to be done by criminal intent, investigators can interview personal, go through search histories, looking for text conversations and so on. Once collected a judge can look at it and determine if there is or isn't intent.
It is a costly, time consuming and cumbersome process, but the legal system is quite used to it since almost every single criminal case involve some aspects of establishing intent.
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega...
by rufus_foreman on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @06:24PM
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>> gerrymandered district maps can get struck down on the basis of racial discrimination
Under current interpretation of civil rights laws, district maps can get struck down on the basis of racial discrimination if they are not sufficiently gerrymandered.
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega...
by bandyaboot on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @07:24PM
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I assume you’re referring to section 2 of the voting rights act? If so, I find that a pretty disingenuous framing. Can you point to an example of a seemingly fair map being struck down in favor of racial gerrymandering?
Fortunately for people of color, it is. You don't have to say you're discriminating based on race in order to be doing so, and the law acknowledges this. That is how gerrymandered district maps can get struck down on the basis of racial discrimination. We do actually get to look at reality when we are deciding if an act is racist.