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Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by Brusco_RF on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @12:38PM (#36789231)
Yeah I see this take all the time. Admissions offices are allowed to take a student's means into account! So in deciding between two students with equal SAT scores, one from a Greenwich private school and one from South Tucson, the one from Tucson is the more impressive student.

Affirmative action was misguided because it assumed that because one student was Korean and the other Mexican, the Mexican kid must be disadvantaged. Besides the fact that there's an inherently racist worldview baked into that, Newsflash! There are tons of poor Korean kids and rich Mexicans!

Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by nancyhn on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @01:06PM (#36789725)
Spot on. I don't know why that very basic level of nuance tends to be missing from these conversations.
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by infamouscow on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @01:21PM (#36789953)
> I don't see why this is so hard for people to comprehend and why they are fighting the obvious.

It's because these people only see the world through the one-dimensional lens of skin color.

Further, it's an attractive way to view the world when you're a complete idiot with nothing of substance to offer society. It leads these people to infecting society with parasitic and fallacious ideas that you see manifested in the extremes of both political parties.

Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by criddell on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @01:15PM (#36789871)
Why is SAT score a good way to decide which student is more deserving of a spot?

There should be some SAT score floor. But beyond that other factors should take over. If the floor is at n and two applicants appear - one with a score of 1.1n and the other 1.2n, I don’t think that’s enough information to decide who should get the spot.

Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by Brusco_RF on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @01:19PM (#36789912)
> Why is SAT score a good way to decide which student is more deserving of a spot?

Name a better way.

Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by dropofwill on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @01:52PM (#36790444)
SAT score floor + lottery?
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by Brusco_RF on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @02:08PM (#36790690)
What makes you think that is better?
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by criddell on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @02:19PM (#36790863)
Vox had an article about college lotteries earlier this year you might find interesting:

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2023/4/19/23689402/colleg...

Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by SkyBelow on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @04:47PM (#36793094)
Lottery is a metric that can't be gamed, if implemented correctly. It may not ever be the best system, but it also can't end up being what was a better system that was gamed into a worst system. It provides a certain level of consistent mediocracy between various other systems which rise and fall as they are gamed.
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by caterpi11ar on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @01:21PM (#36789940)
what are the other factors?
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by tekla on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @01:54PM (#36790477)
There is an incredible about of SAT prep that is free.

It's a good way of figuring out who is intellectually capable. SAT scores have a very good prediction rate of success in college.

Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by criddell on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @02:11PM (#36790729)
High SAT scores are only a good predictor against low SAT scores. Can you say that extremely high SAT scores are a better indicator of college success than very high SAT scores?

I’m not saying SAT scores are useless, just that they should only be used as a filter and not for ranking.