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Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by nostromo on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @12:35PM (#36789190)
Perhaps it’s politically incorrect to say, but students learn best when they’re around students that are of similar intelligence and motivation to succeed.

Taking a brilliant kid and putting them around underachievers doesn’t do anyone any good.

Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by OO000oo on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @12:40PM (#36789276)
Students learn best when they have a quiet home to study in, 3 quality meals a day, parents who aren't working 3 jobs they can ask questions to, parents who aren't fighting about paying the bills that month, good school supplies, etc.
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by nostromo on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @12:48PM (#36789428)
Agreed. So let's go solve those problems and stop pretending the solution is to put underachieving kids into top schools to make ourselves feel better.
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by OO000oo on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @01:04PM (#36789700)
I will only feel better when the working class controls the society it built.
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by ativzzz on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @01:58PM (#36790540)
Once they do that, they become the ruling class and the elites. Then their children are no longer working class, and are now the enemies.
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by OO000oo on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @02:00PM (#36790569)
In such a case, I won't feel better yet will I? So we'll try again...
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by ativzzz on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @02:02PM (#36790602)
Just like we've tried in the past again and again and again... and a few thousand years later here we are and we will keep trying :)
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by OO000oo on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @02:13PM (#36790766)
Exactly. A lot of progress was made in that time, so I have little patience for defeatism.
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by pastacacioepepe on Friday July 21, 2023 @02:11PM (#36817332)
You're missing the point: If the working class becomes the ruling one finally the majority rules, not a rich elite.
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by nancyhn on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @12:59PM (#36789597)
Conversely, putting someone who isn't well suited to that environment is setting them up for failure.
Re:Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh end use of lega... by indymike on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @01:00PM (#36789622)
> Taking a brilliant kid and putting them around underachievers doesn’t do anyone any good.

In a meritocracy, those that do not achieve do not advance, so this is not a problem after a time. I was in the US Navy's Nuclear Propulsion program. It was the closest thing to a pure meritocracy. You didn't pass a test, do the work, or behave in line with expectations you were sent to the fleet. After a few months, only the capable and motivated were left. It was completely colorblind, completely free of social agenda. You could either do the job well enough or not.

I watched a lot of wash outs where there someone would find a way to tip the scales in college to keep them passing along. I watched the following wash out: the son of a Navy Captain, a congressman's kid, a couple of sons of really rich parents.