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Re:Meta Tells Managers Promotions Will Be Few and Far Between by lrem on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @03:22AM (#36783080)
You're approaching your stated problem wrong. See:

> A manager’s job, fundamentally, is to ensure that their reports are delivering appropriate value to the company, so the most direct measure of a manager’s performance is the performance of the ICs that report to them (possibly indirectly).

Now, you're arguing that `sum(evaluate(impact) for each IC)` is absurdly bad. Which it is, because you're compounding errors in individual evaluations. These are hard to do, because you're trying to distribute team's achievements between contributions from particular people. I say that `evaluate(sum(impact for each IC))` is easy and robust. In fact simpler than an evaluation for a single IC, because you don't have to distribute anything and a lot of things that are external distractions for ICs fall into responsibility of managers.

Re:Meta Tells Managers Promotions Will Be Few and Far Between by rat9988 on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @06:30AM (#36784264)
Using functions in text just makes it hard to read.
Re:Meta Tells Managers Promotions Will Be Few and Far Between by dopidopHN on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @07:32AM (#36784734)
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Re:Meta Tells Managers Promotions Will Be Few and Far Between by konschubert on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @08:27AM (#36785212)
It was the only thing that made me understand his point.
Re:Meta Tells Managers Promotions Will Be Few and Far Between by rat9988 on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @08:50AM (#36785471)
Because he wrote the key points in a function instead of properly explained english.
Re:Meta Tells Managers Promotions Will Be Few and Far Between by lrem on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @07:06PM (#36794763)
I only tried this meh notation because hn doesn’t do LaTeX.
Re:Meta Tells Managers Promotions Will Be Few and Far Between by kd5bjo on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @06:39AM (#36784318)
> Now, you're arguing that `sum(evaluate(impact) for each IC)` is absurdly bad.

No, I’m not. I’m arguing that it’s unwise to trust someone to do an evaluation who has a personal stake in the result of that evaluation.

Looking at how well a team works together to advance company goals is an important factor in any evaluation system, but using that as the only factor in a manager’s evaluation is as shortsighted as evaluating a software engineer solely on how many LOC they produced.

In practice, overall team performance should be a factor in IC evaluations as it’s reflective of various hard-to-quantify properties of the team members. It should also be a somewhat larger factor in a manager’s evaluation, with the weight between IC and team performance shifting from mostly-IC at the bottom of the hierarchy to mostly-team at the C-suite level.

Re:Meta Tells Managers Promotions Will Be Few and Far Between by konschubert on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @08:29AM (#36785233)
I think GPs point is that evaluate(sum(impact of ICs) can be evaluated by the manager of the person-to-be-promoted.

My concern with this is: How do you correct for luck/easy tasks?

It’s hard to compare the performance of departments unless you have been inside and seen the challenges they’ve been facing.