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Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by monero-xmr on Monday July 17, 2023 @05:05PM (#36764074)
My sister in law is from Spain, had a guaranteed government job at a state run hospital (or some affiliated org) for life, and could retire in her 50s. She chose to bail and come to the US. She hated her boss (who could never be fired), the work was boring, the take home pay was awful, and she lived in a village where she grew up in a tiny apartment.

Sure she had enough to eat and wasn’t going to be homeless. But she decided that life really wasn’t very exciting and she had no opportunity for growth whatsoever, just waiting for her boss to retire so she could take over her similarly boring job. But hey she could take double the vacation that an average US employee gets!

Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by genocidicbunny on Monday July 17, 2023 @05:19PM (#36764264)
> But she decided that life really wasn’t very exciting and she had no opportunity for growth whatsoever

Dirty little secret in the US is that for very many people, there's no opportunity for growth whatsoever either. It's a relatively small section of society that even gets access to that opportunity. A lot of people in the US would trade their 'exciting' life of working 80+ hours a day to barely be able to pay the bills for the boring job your sister left.

> But hey she could take double the vacation that an average US employee gets!

Uh, if she could take vacation _at all_ she was already head and shoulders above a huge chunk of the workforce in the US.

Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by qeternity on Monday July 17, 2023 @05:28PM (#36764345)
Ah yes, spoken like someone who has never lived outside the US.

I’m American but I’ve been an expat most of my adult life. I love the rest of the world. But Americans simply do not realize how good they have it.

Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by genocidicbunny on Monday July 17, 2023 @05:35PM (#36764416)
> Ah yes, spoken like someone who has never lived outside the US.

Remember assumptions make an ass out of you and I. I've lived a big chunk of my life outside the US. I have plenty of experience with life outside the US. I also have plenty of experience with life in the US, including that outside the wealthy insula of the major cities.

Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by RoyalHenOil on Monday July 17, 2023 @08:45PM (#36766288)
As an American who immigrated to Australia, but still travels back home a lot to visit friends and family, this is not my take at all. Moving overseas revealed to me how much lower income Americans are getting a raw deal. Yes, it could be a lot worse, but it could also be a lot better (especially considering that the US could handily afford it).

I don't think Australia is the nicest country to live in by any means, but it's far better to be middle class or lower class here than in the US.

Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by badpun on Monday July 17, 2023 @05:09PM (#36764131)
The stats look much better if you compare the number of hours worked. When accounting for that, US is at the level of Scandinavian countries. Obviously, Spain is still seriously lagging.
Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by monero-xmr on Monday July 17, 2023 @05:13PM (#36764199)
OK, well how about we compare New England to Europe? Or just Connecticut and Massachusetts?

If you start cutting out this and that country from the EU then you need to cut out Mississippi and Idaho from the US. People always compare the US holistically but conveniently pick and choose which part of the Eurozone they want when it benefits their argument.

Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by fvdessen on Monday July 17, 2023 @05:30PM (#36764376)
Materially, the USA is better off, that’s for sure, but in the west we’re well past the point where being better materially means having a better quality of life.
Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by badpun on Monday July 17, 2023 @05:29PM (#36764357)
Finland and Sweden and Denmark are countries though, just like US or say Mexico.
Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by monero-xmr on Monday July 17, 2023 @06:06PM (#36764720)
So we should not make any comparison to the US and the EU? Massachusetts has a larger population than Norway.