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Re:Wikipedia-grounded chatbot “outperforms all baselines” on... by ravenstine on Monday July 17, 2023 @01:39PM (#36761363)
There's some atrociously written articles on Wikipedia even in the year 2023.

Case example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_intimacy

The majority of the article is woman-centered, even though there's no evidence that it's highly gender-biased, and the only information pertaining to men is that if they have fear-of-intimacy then they might be a sex offender.

Otherwise, the article barely communicates anything meaningful. How do attachment types relate to fear-of-intimacy? Are they causative or merely correlative?

Then there's of course poor writing throughout such as this:

> Fear of intimacy has three defining features: content which represents the ability to communicate personal information [...]

What the hell does that mean? "Content?" Like a YouTube video or something?

Re:Wikipedia-grounded chatbot “outperforms all baselines” on... by delusional on Monday July 17, 2023 @02:33PM (#36762126)
> > Fear of intimacy has three defining features: content which represents the ability to communicate personal information [...]

> What the hell does that mean? "Content?" Like a YouTube video or something?

It's taken directly from the source cited (page 2 of https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Development-and-Valida...). I'm not an expert in the field and have no idea if this is a good paper, but it has received 267 citations which does convey some impact.

> The fear-of-intimacy construct takes into account three defining features: (a) content, the communication of personal information;(b) emotional valence, strong feelings about the personal information exchanged; and (c) vulnerability, high regard for the intimate other. We propose that it is only with the coexistence of content, emotional valence, and vulnerability that intimacy can exist. Consider, for example, the customer who talks to an unknown bartender about his or her troubles. Although there may be personal content

It's clear that it's not the noun "content" but the adjective, defined as "pleased with your situation and not hoping for change or improvement".

I hope the Wikipedia editors are more literate and willing to research than that. I don't think I want to read your version of wikipedia.

Re:Wikipedia-grounded chatbot “outperforms all baselines” on... by marcellus23 on Monday July 17, 2023 @04:01PM (#36763256)
> It's clear that it's not the noun "content" but the adjective, defined as "pleased with your situation and not hoping for change or improvement".

No, it's not the adjective. The other 2 features are nouns, so this one must also be a noun, since it's a parallel construct. Also, they're all "features", so they have to be nouns by definition. And what would the adjective even be describing?

In this case, the "content" refers (I guess) to the content that's being communicated, though it's poorly phrased.

The Wikipedia excerpt is badly written, whether you agree with the GP or not about the article being biased towards women. It's not even a paraphrase of the original source, which claims the content is the communication itself, whereas the article claims the content "represents the ability to communicate personal information" — which is pretty meaningless.

Re:Wikipedia-grounded chatbot “outperforms all baselines” on... by ravenstine on Tuesday July 18, 2023 @09:57AM (#36772329)
> It's clear that it's not the noun "content" but the adjective, defined as "pleased with your situation and not hoping for change or improvement".

If it was clear, I wouldn't have brought it up. Judging by the Talk section of that page, I'm not the only one who finds that choice of words confusing. It doesn't really matter if it's lifted from a cited article; that article isn't the Wikipedia page.

> I hope the Wikipedia editors are more literate and willing to research than that. I don't think I want to read your version of wikipedia.

What specifically do you object to? A better choice of words? Not being unnecessarily gender biased? Not misrepresenting the state of research?

Re:Wikipedia-grounded chatbot “outperforms all baselines” on... by jrflowers on Monday July 17, 2023 @03:45PM (#36763054)
>The majority of the article is woman-centered, even though there's no evidence that it's highly gender-biased…

If you were able to edit this wiki page, what particular studies about fear of intimacy in men would you cite in the sections you add?

Also, is this bit

> Anything that you read on Wikipedia that suggest that there is "no evidence" for something is likely to be some buffoon's ignorant opinion on the actual literature

meant to be ironic?