Re:A Third of North America’s Birds Have Vanished
by zerodensity on Sunday July 16, 2023 @06:24AM
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I mean they will still have the sun.
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Re:A Third of North America’s Birds Have Vanished
by badpun on Sunday July 16, 2023 @07:13AM
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Producing solar panels requires an advanced technical civilization being in place. You cannot jump from middle ages tech to producing solar panels with skipping dependence on fossil fuels in the intermediate steps.
Re:A Third of North America’s Birds Have Vanished
by zerodensity on Sunday July 16, 2023 @08:00AM
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You can still use water and wind which are also powered by the sun.
Re:A Third of North America’s Birds Have Vanished
by adrianN on Sunday July 16, 2023 @08:09AM
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We had water and wind power for centuries before the industrial revolution happened.
Re:A Third of North America’s Birds Have Vanished
by zerodensity on Sunday July 16, 2023 @08:35AM
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Your point being?
Re:A Third of North America’s Birds Have Vanished
by mtsr on Sunday July 16, 2023 @09:53AM
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It’s hard to extract the huge amounts of energy we get from fossil fuels from these sources without having a cheap energy source available to get you started.
Re:A Third of North America’s Birds Have Vanished
by zerodensity on Sunday July 16, 2023 @10:02AM
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Hard does not matter. If it takes the new life 100k years to go from agricultural to the industrial revolution rather than the 10k years it took us they will still get there. What I am saying is that it's not impossible to have an industrial revolution without coal. Not that it's not hard.
Re:A Third of North America’s Birds Have Vanished
by badpun on Sunday July 16, 2023 @11:11AM
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We did that in preindustrial age. In total, it didn’t amount to that much energy.
Re:A Third of North America’s Birds Have Vanished
by kjkjadksj on Sunday July 16, 2023 @01:14PM
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We at most did things like run a mill on a river. Now compare the megawatt output of a proper modern hydroelectric project and say it isn't much energy. Imagine a society side stepping coalburning and going right to big hydro projects. Even something like a forest specifically grown and cultivated for energy is a relatively new idea, and doesn’t require any real technology even beyond understanding systems theory.
Re:A Third of North America’s Birds Have Vanished
by badpun on Sunday July 16, 2023 @03:35PM
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Big hydro requires ungodly amounts of reinforced concrete, labor (to dig millions of cubic meters on earth) and transportation capacity (gotta transport that concrete on site - hard to do with ox-powered carriages on unpaved roads). I can't see say Louis the XIV's France ever pulling that off.
Re:A Third of North America’s Birds Have Vanished
by kjkjadksj on Sunday July 16, 2023 @06:10PM
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Despite this, dams and other monumental architecture as well as complicated water management controls were built in ancient times all over the world.