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Re:Signal's president vows to reject UK law on message scann... by bryanrasmussen on Saturday July 15, 2023 @06:28PM (#36741514)
I guess I don't get why the arguments against the Constitution of the time would be useful for "understanding the intent of the Constitution and Bill of Rights"?
Re:Signal's president vows to reject UK law on message scann... by turmacar on Saturday July 15, 2023 @07:11PM (#36741768)
Because they are directly responsible for the Bill of Rights because they felt the Constitution didn't provide enough protection/clarity in some cases.
Re:Signal's president vows to reject UK law on message scann... by walterbell on Saturday July 15, 2023 @07:46PM (#36741971)
For the same reason patch reviews can lead to code improvement.
Re:Signal's president vows to reject UK law on message scann... by 8note on Saturday July 15, 2023 @08:16PM (#36742146)
The thing that passed is always a compromise between opposing views

Only reading the federalist papers gives you a stilted opinion of what caused things to be the way they are

Re:Signal's president vows to reject UK law on message scann... by jean_lannes on Sunday July 16, 2023 @02:30AM (#36744209)
The Bill of Rights came about largely as a product of anti-federalist agitation. Many prominent federalists felt that a Bill of Rights would be redundant; in federalist 84, Hamilton writes the following:

> There remains but one other view of this matter to conclude the point. The truth is, after all the declamations we have heard, that the Constitution is itself, in every rational sense, and to every useful purpose, A BILL OF RIGHTS. The several bills of rights in Great Britain form its Constitution, and conversely the constitution of each State is its bill of rights. And the proposed Constitution, if adopted, will be the bill of rights of the Union. Is it one object of a bill of rights to declare and specify the political privileges of the citizens in the structure and administration of the government? This is done in the most ample and precise manner in the plan of the convention; comprehending various precautions for the public security, which are not to be found in any of the State constitutions. Is another object of a bill of rights to define certain immunities and modes of proceeding, which are relative to personal and private concerns? This we have seen has also been attended to, in a variety of cases, in the same plan. Adverting therefore to the substantial meaning of a bill of rights, it is absurd to allege that it is not to be found in the work of the convention. It may be said that it does not go far enough, though it will not be easy to make this appear; but it can with no propriety be contended that there is no such thing. It certainly must be immaterial what mode is observed as to the order of declaring the rights of the citizens, if they are to be found in any part of the instrument which establishes the government. And hence it must be apparent, that much of what has been said on this subject rests merely on verbal and nominal distinctions, entirely foreign from the substance of the thing. [1]

[1] https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed84.asp

Re:Signal's president vows to reject UK law on message scann... by prirun on Sunday July 16, 2023 @11:13AM (#36747910)
Summary: if there are 2 documents outlining rights, it could be confusing which one has priority, so we should only have 1.