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Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by wraptile on Friday July 14, 2023 @02:25AM (#36720151)
How on earth are they losing money selling a 3000-5000$ _bicycles_ lol. I'm flabbergasted.
Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by arp242 on Friday July 14, 2023 @02:37AM (#36720220)
They spent a lot of money on expansion, opening stores in places like NYC and Tokyo. I'm also betting that since all the parts in their bikes are custom-produced for them, the production cost of their bikes is quite high as well (that is, they're not making that much money per bike).
Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by Gasp0de on Friday July 14, 2023 @05:33AM (#36721574)
Then why do they do it? What is the supposed gain from producing your own parts, when mass produced parts like Shimano are available all over the world? Is it to increase sales of their repair services after the warranty ends?
Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by arp242 on Friday July 14, 2023 @02:48PM (#36728235)
They want to "re-invent the bike". They do (or did) produce some pretty new/innovative designs; I haven't really followed them since they went electric because I'm not that keen on electric bikes, but the original (non-electric) had the lock roll up inside the frame for example, which is pretty nifty. Lots of people also like the design from an aesthetic point of view.

"Use standard stuff" has a lot of value, obviously, but it also limits you. This is true for everything: from bike parts to the POSIX API or POSIX shell.

Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by jbverschoor on Friday July 14, 2023 @02:59AM (#36720373)
They said because of repairs
Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by Cthulhu_ on Friday July 14, 2023 @03:16AM (#36720495)
It's not about how expensive it is, it's about how much you sell.
Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by fleischhauf on Friday July 14, 2023 @04:03AM (#36720756)
how can you lose money with every sale then tho
Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by madeofpalk on Friday July 14, 2023 @05:32AM (#36721565)
Maybe they have other expenses?
Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by tnolet on Friday July 14, 2023 @06:23AM (#36721924)
You make up for that in volume!