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Re:FTC investigating ChatGPT over potential consumer harm by nonethewiser on Thursday July 13, 2023 @08:38PM (#36718010)
> The agency says it's looking into whether the AI tool has harmed people by generating incorrect information about them

Havent heard this complaint before. And I wouldn’t really call this harmful to consumers. If anything its harmful to the subject, but consumers in general. But even so it doesnt meet the definition of libel. How harmful is it really?

Of all the complaints against OpenAI, absolutely none of them seem to be what I think really matters. And that is OpenAI tweaking it to be politically correct and geared to wherever they fall on the overton window. Its a tool. It should be sharp. And we should expect more than of its users leat we want dumber ones.

Re:FTC investigating ChatGPT over potential consumer harm by Eji1700 on Thursday July 13, 2023 @08:46PM (#36718070)
> How harmful is it really?

You seem to assume it's negative information about people. If it decides to say that some quack hocking raw almonds as cancer cures is FDA approved it's extremely harmful.

Hopefully it's not that bad, but there's clearly a large inbetween here and I wouldn't be surprised if it's over the line.

That's before you even get into defamation cases.

Re:FTC investigating ChatGPT over potential consumer harm by silisili on Thursday July 13, 2023 @08:47PM (#36718077)
It could absolutely cause real harm to any one person or group at a time. There was a recent case where it accused a professor of sexual harassment, seemingly out of nowhere. Imagine it spreading on Twitter and getting mobbed, doxxed, etc. Or a potential employer seeing it and silently rejecting your employment.

Excuse the link, the big papers have awful popovers, this one seemed acceptable...

https://decrypt.co/125712/chatgpt-wrongly-accuses-law-profes...

Re:FTC investigating ChatGPT over potential consumer harm by userbinator on Thursday July 13, 2023 @09:43PM (#36718442)
We as a population need to be exposed to misinformation to build up immunity against it. The alternative is for those in power to "decide" for us what is true, which is even worse.

I don't trust AI and probably never will. I consider ChatGPT to be merely a PC version of 4chan's infamous /b/ board, which carries the disclaimer "The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."

Re:FTC investigating ChatGPT over potential consumer harm by bugglebeetle on Thursday July 13, 2023 @09:53PM (#36718501)
> We as a population need to be exposed to misinformation to build up immunity against it.

We tried this in the 1930s in Europe and it didn’t seem to go very well. See also it’s lasting legacy in the current Italian prime minister, Marine Le Pen’s popularity in France, and AfD’s electoral successes in Germany.

Re:FTC investigating ChatGPT over potential consumer harm by xcdzvyn on Thursday July 13, 2023 @10:14PM (#36718644)
Am I correct in my understanding that your comment is equating Nazi Germany and current popular right-wing politicians?
Re:FTC investigating ChatGPT over potential consumer harm by flangola7 on Thursday July 13, 2023 @11:11PM (#36719047)
Quacks like a duck, etc.

NSDAP were in power for over a decade before the first concentration camp was ever built. Their rhetoric in the 30s was not as direct and violent as their later actions, that doesn't mean they weren't still Nazis.

Re:FTC investigating ChatGPT over potential consumer harm by megapolitics on Friday July 14, 2023 @02:38AM (#36720226)
>NSDAP were in power for over a decade before the first concentration camp was ever built.

The first concentration camp, Nohra, opened in 1933, the year the Nazis took power. The more well known Dachau was also opened that year.

Re:FTC investigating ChatGPT over potential consumer harm by MandieD on Friday July 14, 2023 @06:19AM (#36721899)
I think GP was mixing up concentration camps (Konzentrationslager), an umbrella term for both work/prison camps (never really secret, killing prisoners was a side effect but not the ostensible purpose, initially targeted German citizens with leftish politics who were vocal against the new regime) with extermination camps (subtype of concentration camp, not publicized, engineered for mass murder, where most of the Jews and a lot of the Roma/Sinti in Nazi-occupied Europe still there by 1942 were sent)

Dachau was a concentration camp located in a Munich suburb that a large number of prisoners survived (but a lot did not) and were even sometimes (but not often) released from. Really bad, but nothing that awful governments hadn’t done before - in fact, was being done by our eventual allies to the East at the same time.

Auschwitz was an extermination camp (Vernichtungslager), located in a distant corner of Poland that only a tiny fraction of people sent there survived. These camps and system were a new horror for the world, and the center of the Nuremberg war crimes trials. Those were planned at the beginning of 1941 (Wannsee Conference), so yes, put into operation about a decade after the Nazis came to power.

Some places that were initially set up as work (to death) camps were later turned into outright extermination camps.

Re:FTC investigating ChatGPT over potential consumer harm by CamperBob2 on Friday July 14, 2023 @12:00AM (#36719334)
To paraphrase Mike Godwin himself, "Go for it, by all means. Fair game."

The Beer Hall Putsch of 1923 was about as effective as the January 16 assault, and just as comically incompetent. But there was a lot of sympathy for the far-right terrorists among the German judiciary, just as there is today in the US. The prosecutors and judges who could have stopped the movement in its tracks instead chose to take it easy on the perpetrators, just like today.

Now we get to wait ten years to see where, or if, these two convergent timelines diverge.

Re:FTC investigating ChatGPT over potential consumer harm by bugglebeetle on Friday July 14, 2023 @02:17AM (#36720106)
Marine Le Pen is the daughter of an actual Nazi sympathizer and her politics arose out of those circles. One of the AfD’s leaders just got charged with using Nazi slogans. Spare me the fascist version of the “I’m shocked to find gambling is going on here” spiel. It’s beyond tedious. I’ll just copy and paste Sartre on anti-Semitism in response.
Re:FTC investigating ChatGPT over potential consumer harm by trafficante on Thursday July 13, 2023 @10:57PM (#36718934)
> We tried this in the 1930s in Europe and it didn’t seem to go very well.

I agree, a bureaucracy banning books and reference material that ran counter to the approved narrative was quite disastrous. Hopefully we don’t repeat that mistake now that everyone is neatly siloed into digital echo chambers.

Personally, I think we did pretty well against the (specifically online) deluge of misinformation and fringe ideas for about a decade or so prior to ~2010. Unfortunately, the “problem” of internet free speech seems to have been solved and now we’re just waiting to see whether the censors or the reactionaries win and what type of fresh authoritarian hell awaits on the other side.

Re:FTC investigating ChatGPT over potential consumer harm by bugglebeetle on Friday July 14, 2023 @02:12AM (#36720073)
> now we’re just waiting to see whether the censors or the reactionaries win

If you think these are the two camps, I recommend googling the words “Republican” and “book bans.”

Re:FTC investigating ChatGPT over potential consumer harm by silisili on Friday July 14, 2023 @02:53AM (#36720324)
There's a pretty big difference in wanting sexually explicit material out of classrooms, and outright book bans...

I'd argue neither side has a stellar record today, but it's the other that's more speech stifling...

Re:FTC investigating ChatGPT over potential consumer harm by bugglebeetle on Friday July 14, 2023 @08:48AM (#36723195)
Acknowledging queer people exist or even that sex itself exists is not in anyway explicit. This is just American bigotry and Puritanism run amok.
Re:FTC investigating ChatGPT over potential consumer harm by biofunsf on Thursday July 13, 2023 @10:30PM (#36718761)
At the bottom of the ChatGPT prompt it always says: "ChatGPT may produce inaccurate information about people, places, or facts."

So... is this just a case of user error? Or maybe the FTC needs to step in and require a larger font size?

Re:FTC investigating ChatGPT over potential consumer harm by flangola7 on Thursday July 13, 2023 @10:59PM (#36718954)
The person being slandered never agreed to that disclaimer. If I manufacture and sell a car with a disclaimer "sometimes the brakes fail" and it runs over and paralyzes someone, the injured person and the judge are not going to care ten cents about whatever disclaimer the purchaser signed. If anything it will be used as evidence that the manufacturer knew they were selling a dangerous faulty product.
Re:FTC investigating ChatGPT over potential consumer harm by biofunsf on Thursday July 13, 2023 @11:19PM (#36719098)
Well unlike the brakes situation, the ChatGPT lies are non-physically harmful misinformation and they're only sent directly to the user who presumably should be aware of the ChatGPT limitations. If I share ChatGPT lies as truth, that seems no different than me just sharing lies I made up. And it seems like in this case no one even believed the ChatGPT lies. I'm sympathetic because I'm sure it's incredibly hurtful seeing those specific lies, but no one was actually convinced.

We all already treat the internet at large as a source of "usually correct but not always" information, and people just need to take the ChatGPT disclaimer to heart and not treat it like some oracle. I imagine articles like these will fade over time as society finds lies coming from the "makes-up-lies-sometimes-machine" (ChatGPT) as boring and as common place as the many websites full of lies we already have.

Re:FTC investigating ChatGPT over potential consumer harm by flangola7 on Sunday July 16, 2023 @08:22PM (#36752756)
The FTC is currently opening an investigation. Multiple nations are launching inquiries into these systems. If you think this is a problem that isn't going to become much bigger, you are in for a rude surprise.
Re:FTC investigating ChatGPT over potential consumer harm by justinclift on Thursday July 13, 2023 @10:47PM (#36718862)
Real world example of how things can go very, very badly: :(

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_WhatsApp_lynchings

Re:FTC investigating ChatGPT over potential consumer harm by my_usernam3 on Thursday July 13, 2023 @09:42PM (#36718440)
I can only give you an antidote of its dangers in a different category.

My significant other, an otherwise very intelligent women, will ask ChatGPT health questions. She knows it might be wrong, but does it anyways to debug her health. I try to point out that even getting suggested a bad diagnosis is very dangerous. The advice it gives has way less nuanced than say the healthMD which has it owns flaws. And unlike coding questions, you can't assume health advice is right until you prove it wrong.

Re:FTC investigating ChatGPT over potential consumer harm by copperx on Thursday July 13, 2023 @10:08PM (#36718612)
It's always good to cross verify with a tool such as Isabel.

Luckily, ChatGPT and Isabel almost always agree in my tests.

https://symptomchecker.isabelhealthcare.com/

Re:FTC investigating ChatGPT over potential consumer harm by barbariangrunge on Friday July 14, 2023 @02:31AM (#36720186)
Chatgpt lies all the time with health questions, citing nonsense and making up explanations and diagnoses. I’m scared that anybody trusts it