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Re:XAI by stillsut on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @01:30PM (#36698334)
> The goal of xAI is to understand the true nature of the universe.

People are misinterpreting this as the research goal. No, it's an implicit negation of an ethos - AI Ethics, Trust & Safety, ESG, Politically Correct - that have dominated decision making in product and hiring in tech for the past decade.

Whether or not you agree with him, it's hard to deny that Musk is the only one offering researchers an escape from the bowing to the orthodoxy while also offering an A+ pedigree institution.

Re:XAI by numbers_guy on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @01:37PM (#36698472)
There is literally nothing wrong with ethics in AI, or any other field of science.

What is wrong is this woke supremacist nonsense, that some imbecile in Silicon Valley can dictate the truth about the world according to the woke bible, that's where the problem lies. Americans have gotten really intolerant of other cultures and ways of life. There's 8 billion people on this planet, ffs. We don't need the heavy handed paternalistic nonsense of OpenAI.

If a study is published in a research journal why should ChatGPT not be allowed to give you a summary of it? Why should it be censored because the woke cultists find it too icky?

Re:XAI by wyager on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @01:43PM (#36698588)
> There is literally nothing wrong with ethics in... any other field of science.

When you start putting "ethics" in fields like biology (not medicine or bioengineering, just inductive biology) you end up with nonsense like Lamarckism.

Reality has an underlying structure independently of how this structure interacts with our constructed ethical systems.

Re:XAI by mullingitover on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @03:34PM (#36700443)
Can you elaborate on what “woke” means?
Re:XAI by jauntywundrkind on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @11:39PM (#36704746)
It means, "I have a mindvirus and am incapable of assessing things reasonably or objectively or with nuance. I see the world only through sad overarching paranoia that perceives everything as against me, the lone sacred keeper of truth."

It's so tiring thar this ultrahostile radical extremism gets a free pass.

Re:XAI by dudeinhawaii on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @03:46PM (#36700605)
Stop using woke as shorthand because honestly I don't know what it's shorthand for. What other cultures and ways of life are Americans intolerant of? This seems to be at odds with the previous woke statement. This is why you need to use actual words that contain detail and specifics. This entire statement is market speak for twitter gen, a sound-bite to engender emotion that says nothing at all. It is itself a symptom of woke culture. Congrats.
Re:XAI by numbers_guy on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @05:50PM (#36702184)
Point is, OpenAI prioritizes catering to this twitter American political subculture over the rest of the whole wide world. And that is just wrong, especially when they are censoring perfectly valid published peer reviewed research.
Re:XAI by smoldesu on Friday July 14, 2023 @01:57AM (#36719983)
If the majority of online text is written through the lens of political American subculture, then it stands to reason that models trained on it would reflect those values.
Re:XAI by jjaken on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @06:27PM (#36702517)
I thought I knew all the vague definitions of woke but none fit the context clues in your sentences. What are you talking about?
Re:XAI by jauntywundrkind on Thursday July 13, 2023 @05:37PM (#36716361)
I've tried a number of times to reply but keep getting flagged. The language here is extremist & pointed & polarizing.

This is a private company. They aren't required to hallucinate things that would harm their reputation to produce. That seems fine, & required if they are to survive.

Please stop flagging replies so actively! The intolerance here is saddening.

Re:XAI by sterlind on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @01:35PM (#36698437)
are the researchers allowed to disagree with Musk? if the supposedly-objective AI they produce contradicts Musk's views, will he accept that he's wrong? or will he call it a bug, or pressure his researchers into training it to support his ideologies?

in short: do you really believe this is Musk producing an objective truth-aligned AI and not just a Musk-aligned AI?

Re:XAI by andreygrehov on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @01:37PM (#36698467)
What makes you believe that one cannot disagree with Musk?
Re:XAI by sterlind on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @01:42PM (#36698582)
his conduct at Twitter, primarily, as he rapidly abandoned his promises of free-speech absolutism and started to micromanage its moderation to benefit himself.
Re:XAI by andreygrehov on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @01:47PM (#36698678)
> he rapidly abandoned his promises of free-speech

Hm, I don't think that's true. How does that manifest itself?

> started to micromanage its moderation to benefit himself

Has anyone been banned from the platform?

+ we are talking about Twitter, right? Elon uses Twitter for fun, it's pretty obvious from many of his troll tweets.

Do you have any evidence that people cannot disagree with him when working directly in a professional environment (eg office, zoom call, etc)?

Re:XAI by sterlind on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @02:04PM (#36698994)
> Has anyone been banned from the platform?

Yes, evidently: https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/15/media/twitter-musk-journalist...

> Do you have any evidence that people cannot disagree with him when working directly in a professional environment (eg office, zoom call, etc)?

Seems so: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/15/technology/elon-musk-twit...

But I admit I don't follow Musk and his controversies very closely, I just looked these up. If you consider yourself disinterested and not a Musk supporter, and you think your take on Musk is representative of the general consensus, I'm happy to learn from you.

Re:XAI by andreygrehov on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @02:47PM (#36699791)
https://twitter.com/donie

https://twitter.com/RMac18

The accounts are doing just fine. Stop reading the news. Especially the ones who are consistently attacking Elon to get their portion of ad revenue.

Re:XAI by stillsut on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @01:43PM (#36698594)
Me sense is its more permissible to publicly disagree with Musk on ideology than any other CEO of a large company in the world. I can't imagine that working at Google, Disney, ESPN, OpenAI, even Y-combinator!

What ideological belief does Musk hold that would create friction with his employees?

Re:XAI by dudeinhawaii on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @03:41PM (#36700538)
Is this sarcasm? Right here on HN there's been many articles and discussions that are in complete opposition to what you've written with respect to both being able to disagree with musk as an employee and employee friction based on beliefs.
Re:XAI by fomine3 on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @08:20PM (#36703494)
You didn't see the twitter fire drama
Re:XAI by machdiamonds on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @02:29PM (#36699466)
You think SpaceX, Tesla, etc. All succeeded because people weren't allowed to disagree with him?
Re:XAI by jjaken on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @06:28PM (#36702535)
Does Musk still attract A+ pedigree? I wouldn’t be caught dead working for someone so tech illiterate.
Re:XAI by simondotau on Thursday July 13, 2023 @05:55AM (#36706906)
Do you have a specific example? I know there were certainly a number of enterprise high-availability types who expressed scorn for Elon's move-fast-and-break-things approach to tearing away at the bloat of Twitter (both technical and corporate). Personally my observations of his handling of Twitter has made me more impressed at his tech literacy, not less.

I don't know a single person on earth who can speak on the full gamut of "tech" topics without revealing themselves "illiterate" on at least some of them. I've no doubt Musk is not some singular exception to this rule.

Re:XAI by systemvoltage on Thursday July 13, 2023 @11:40AM (#36711003)
You nailed it. This is a cultural statement affirming rationalism and countering post-modernism.