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Re:I Am Leaving by dguest on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @07:25AM (#36692944)
Everyone I communicate with uses Signal now. In Europe using Signal costs the same amount as using WhatsApp, if not less because of the missing bloatware (backups etc).

In a lot of the world, WhatsApp is free (I assume some kind of payment from Meta to the telecom). There's no way Signal will compete with something that is bundled with every phone contract for whatever reason.

Re:I Am Leaving by BLKNSLVR on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @07:35AM (#36693031)
In Australia both Signal and WhatsApp are free, aside from using the data service rather than the "telephone" service, and we pay for a monthly or annual data quota with our phone plan.

Do you have separate charges for Signal and/or WhatsApp?

Re:I Am Leaving by dguest on Thursday July 13, 2023 @03:56AM (#36706215)
Yeah I guess I confused a lot of people: the charges are for the data, not the app. They are tiny, but if you use the app heavily and rely on it, you don't want to be disconnected when your data runs out.
Re:I Am Leaving by Ylpertnodi on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @08:03AM (#36693314)
You pay for signal? Which bit of Europe are you being ripped off in?
Re:I Am Leaving by 0x20Fearless on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @08:19AM (#36693468)
I read this as a phone contract having a bundled: unlimited whatsapp, Spotify, Facebook bundles where data usage is not counted towards your total data allowance in the contract. For example in my country in the middle of Europe you have bundles with unlimited traditional communication and 20 50 80GB of mobile data.

When you WhatsApp all day sending videos, gifs, messages, voice messages, pictures, documents..I can consume up to 12GB per month, this costing me an amount of my 20GB data plan. While a other provider I can choose has a 20GB data plan with a unlimited WhatsApp bundle. Sadly they don’t offer eSIM and 5G so it’s a no go for me.

Re:I Am Leaving by zowie_vd on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @08:12AM (#36693391)
Not sure where in Europe you're from but in the Netherlands WhatsApp and the likes are just considered Internet usage, no special costs.
Re:I Am Leaving by api on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @08:17AM (#36693430)
Wait… in Europe it costs money per app somehow on a phone? Or for data?
Re:I Am Leaving by wincy on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @08:39AM (#36693673)
In the US I get similar benefits with YouTube and T-Mobile. The soft data cap doesn’t count YouTube at 480p in the data usage calculation.
Re:I Am Leaving by CalRobert on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @12:45PM (#36697452)
Without net neutrality many providers favour the incumbents.
Re:I Am Leaving by adql on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @08:37AM (#36693653)
Is it still impossible to use Signal without phone ? That's the biggest stopper for me
Re:I Am Leaving by dunefox on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @08:53AM (#36693820)
Yes. You are identified using the phone number.
Re:I Am Leaving by flagrant_taco on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @08:54AM (#36693852)
This has been a big downside for years, I'm surprised it hasn't been fixed yet. Your account has to be tired to a phone number (though you can use voip) and only their mobile apps act as a primary that can register the account.