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Re:I Am Leaving by geysersam on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @07:19AM (#36692875)
Why have they been so successful? Why didn't MMS 6.0 implement everything that exists in modern chat applications. Why is Meta anything more than the anonymous humble entities producing sms and "phone" apps?
Re:I Am Leaving by blizarre on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @07:29AM (#36692980)
I guess because Whatsapp provides a unified and standard way to communicate between people on different provider networks / countries for free? You get groups, text/images/location sharing, video/audio calls, cross-countries, that works very reliably, and you only need internet (which can be found almost anywhere even if that's just wifi).

MMS still don't work reliably for me (lost a message just last week that someone swear to have sent). And for a long time they were not free as well.

Re:I Am Leaving by smaudet on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @07:47AM (#36693148)
This is still where normal phones work better (no internet).
Re:I Am Leaving by geysersam on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @08:26AM (#36693541)
I'm not actually suggesting using MMS. I just wanted to illustrate that we've had instant communication technology (even "rich" multi-media) long before Whatsapp etc. Why didn't the providers of that technology (telecom companies) become Meta?

The difference is that MMS/SMS is standardized and agnostic to the client interface. While WhatsApp is proprietary and monopolizes the client.

We could easily have had a "internet direct message" standard implementing most of WhatsApps features. (Wait... Isn't that SMTP?)

Maybe I'm just ignorant, but what does WhatsApp bring that let's say email++ does not have?

Re:I Am Leaving by notimetorelax on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @08:54AM (#36693850)
Telcos hire vendors to run their networks and services. For them WhatsApp is yet another vendor.
Re:I Am Leaving by conradfr on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @07:46AM (#36693135)
It was a great and useful cross platform messaging app ... and still is after Meta bought it.
Re:I Am Leaving by Groxx on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @10:26AM (#36695026)
MMS has been exorbitantly, insanely expensive and with extremely high failure rates in much of the world until...

... actually that's still the case in varying degrees and locations. And once you've got great market penetration in an area, there's little to no reason to switch unless the competition is noticeably better, which MMS really has no claim to.

Re:I Am Leaving by geysersam on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @12:06PM (#36696702)
Point is: why did an open standard for direct messages not win over proprietary solutions?
Re:I Am Leaving by Groxx on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @12:14PM (#36696854)
They put in quite a lot of time and money to build it and make it work on a ridiculous array of devices running weird embedded OSes.

Open standards hadn't.

Or if you're referring to MMS: insane user cost and insane unreliability, standards mean nothing if the implementations are all trash.

Re:I Am Leaving by geysersam on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @05:36PM (#36702010)
But why didn't email win over WhatsApp? Doesn't email run on all devices?

Not saying it should have, just that I don't really see the difference in functionality.

Re:I Am Leaving by Groxx on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @09:05PM (#36703854)
Email definitely did not. When WhatsApp was beginning its rise to domination, it was on tons of feature phones - mostly just calls, texts, and WhatsApp. Email implies a lot more general internet access than was generally supported or understood by people, since it supports arbitrary data and hosts.