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Re:Windows 9x and Word 9x at 800x600 resolution. Spacious. C... by bityard on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @01:00PM (#36683840)
> He remarked that high-density UIs confuse and overwhelm most people,

Ah, this is the phrase I see most often when one UX person or team wants to justify throwing out the previous UX person or team's design in order to replace it with their own.

On top of that, it is of course very condescending to the users. Especially those who have invested significant amounts of their own time in leaning how to effectively use the existing UI.

Re:Windows 9x and Word 9x at 800x600 resolution. Spacious. C... by marisnom on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @08:15PM (#36688878)
Additionally, doesn't changing UIs every few years mess with older and less tech literate users? They have to relearn how to use software they've used for years
Re:Windows 9x and Word 9x at 800x600 resolution. Spacious. C... by mitthrowaway2 on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @10:04PM (#36689642)
I liken it to a housesitter rearranging all of the contents of your drawers and closets without your permission.
Re:Windows 9x and Word 9x at 800x600 resolution. Spacious. C... by pmontra on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @01:25AM (#36690753)
This is what gets housesitters fired. Unfortunately we can't fire UX designers, only complain and maybe switch to another tool. The worst is when we selected a tool specifically for its UX and they eventually replace it with a different one we don't like and we wouldn't have selected that tool if it had that UX to start with (cough, K-9, cough.)
Re:Windows 9x and Word 9x at 800x600 resolution. Spacious. C... by ant6n on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @03:07AM (#36691303)
I can keep using the 2003 version of your favorite software, rather than keep updating to the new versions.
Re:Windows 9x and Word 9x at 800x600 resolution. Spacious. C... by franga2000 on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @03:52AM (#36691568)
2003 maybe, but genuine advancements have been made since then that you probably want. Good luck trying to use the 2016 version of Figma/GDocs/[insert SaaS here] or even desktop software like Adobe CC or MS Office!
Re:Windows 9x and Word 9x at 800x600 resolution. Spacious. C... by adrianN on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @04:04AM (#36691656)
That’s why we now offer everything as a website so that users don’t get to choose what version they run.
Re:Windows 9x and Word 9x at 800x600 resolution. Spacious. C... by pmontra on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @04:37AM (#36691869)
I or you?

Anyway, I'm sticking to K-9 5.600 with the original UX because the new one is very wrong for my use case: 3 separate accounts that must stay separate and a quick way to move between them. Given the comments on Google Play [1] and the old discussion on K-9 forums I know that I'm not alone.

I backed up the APK and sideload it on any new device I get, or after a full reset.

[1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fsck.k9&hl...

Re:Windows 9x and Word 9x at 800x600 resolution. Spacious. C... by ant6n on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @09:17AM (#36694088)
Typo: u.
Re:Windows 9x and Word 9x at 800x600 resolution. Spacious. C... by robinsonb5 on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @04:44AM (#36691922)
Yes it does. I was particularly struck by that some years ago durig the digital TV switchover. The elderly father of a friend of mine had been using a TV with a simple one-to-one mapping between the numbered buttons on the remote and the channel which would be shown on-screen. He could manage this despite not having much sensation in his fingers, and poor eyesight.

Now he suddenly had to contend with two remotes, and in order to use the set-top box he would have had to build a mental model of how the on-screen EPG worked, develop some sense of current "location" within the menu, and get to grips with selecting an option - all stuff the rest of us take for granted without a second thought. But because of his failing eyesight, his failing sense of touch in his fingers, and an inability (and yes, a non-trivial amount of unwillingness!) to learn new interface concepts, it was basically the end of his unassisted access to TV.

Re:Windows 9x and Word 9x at 800x600 resolution. Spacious. C... by mato on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @08:29AM (#36693568)
This, 200%. I have the same problem with my 87yo father, and no idea how to fix it. I've drawn up step by step instructions, labelled both the TV and set top box remotes and devices with icons, yet somehow he manages to press something on either that throws the whole system out of whack and results in a phone call about "the TV not working". Usually unsolvable without being there in person, which with Dad living 250km away is not doable on a daily basis.
Re:Windows 9x and Word 9x at 800x600 resolution. Spacious. C... by robinsonb5 on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @09:35AM (#36694303)
We bought a kid's universal remote from Argos, with big colourful buttons, then I put together an Arduino-based gizmo which received button presses from the new remote, and played macros of button presses to the TV and set top box. It worked up to a point, but of course it's defeated by any buttons whose meanings are affected by state - the button which toggled between the TV's internal tuner and the AV input was a particular problem.
Re:Windows 9x and Word 9x at 800x600 resolution. Spacious. C... by hulitu on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @01:47AM (#36690852)
> Ah, this is the phrase I see most often when one UX person or team wants to justify throwing out the previous UX person or team's design in order to replace it with their own

And the funny thing is that this process never ends. Every couple of months the UI must be redesigned. They can never settle on one idea.

Re:Windows 9x and Word 9x at 800x600 resolution. Spacious. C... by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @02:58AM (#36691245)
Thats one difficulty in UI design. Very few people care if a program uses binary trees or hash tables underneath, but everyone and their mother in law have an opinion on the color of buttons and the radius of the corners.
Re:Windows 9x and Word 9x at 800x600 resolution. Spacious. C... by wildrhythms on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @06:28AM (#36692546)
This happens because every 2 years (centered around promotional cycles) managerial types will demand a UX study where they ask participants something to the effect of, "On a scale of 1-10 how would you rate [product] on looking modern?" And anything less than a perfect 'modern' (an impossible goal) means the whole thing needs to adapt to whatever god awful design trend is going around.
Re:Windows 9x and Word 9x at 800x600 resolution. Spacious. C... by Sohcahtoa82 on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @01:50PM (#36698733)
Asking users to judge a product based on it looking "modern" carries the implication that modern is good.

IntelliJ's new UI is modern, but it's not good.