Desperate people make desperate decisions, ergo, might makes right? And when did we establish that they're insisting on the war to continue? This is a knot of false assumptions: that people who flee the conflict have some uniform opinion; that this in any way justifies concessions; that people who flee the conflict have a particular unstated but heavily implied moral character.

You can make as much of a show of extending me good will add you please, this is not a good faith argument and I have no hangups about calling it a spade.

> 2. AND THEN insisting the war not end while their countrymen are dying on their behalf

I wish the war ended as soon as possible too and that no one dies anymore. Most of those fighting on the front want to stop this war as soon as possible so that they don't die (if they wanted to die, they could just storm Russian positions without weapons). Ukraine giving up doesn't look like a valid answer. They gave up some territories in 2014 but Russia still came with tanks and started shooting at everything and killing (often in gruesome ways) civilians.

I bet that if Russians could just go home, this war would be stopped pretty soon, but alas they don't want to go home. Why?