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Re:After 30 Years, Linux Finally Hits 3% Market Share by Nux on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @02:49AM (#36677268)
I think we're past the sweet spot, things are starting to go "casual user", you only need to check what Ubuntu and Fedora are pushing,in a way the "windows ification" of Linux: gnome 3/4,systemd+,snapd,telemetry etc.
Re:After 30 Years, Linux Finally Hits 3% Market Share by kaba0 on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @03:36AM (#36677633)
Yeah, systemd is definitely there to lure in the casual users..
Re:After 30 Years, Linux Finally Hits 3% Market Share by dTal on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @10:06AM (#36681181)
It's not so much that systemd is designed to lure in casual users, it's that it (like other software on the list) reflects an attitude that separates "developers" who decide how a system should work, from "users" who have to take what's given to them. This stands in opposition to the traditional unixy world order, where the two groups are one and the same "hackers".
Re:After 30 Years, Linux Finally Hits 3% Market Share by kaba0 on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @10:43AM (#36681699)
How exactly does the completely customizable systemd does any of that?
Re:After 30 Years, Linux Finally Hits 3% Market Share by oytis on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @05:58AM (#36678668)
I'm using ubuntu among other distros, and it never tried to push gnome to me. Using i3 is literally one "apt install" away. As of systemd I'm old enough to remember when initialization was managed by a pile of unreadable shell scripts and I never wanted it back.
Re:After 30 Years, Linux Finally Hits 3% Market Share by pkkm on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @08:55AM (#36680319)
It's odd that you included systemd in the list. It's something that a casual user isn't going to notice, but that has made life easier for system administrators and desktop tinkerers. With systemd, I can write a few lines of config to turn a simple Python script into a daemon with syslog integration, process monitoring, and resource limits. I understand the concerns about scope creep, but I'd take systemd any day over the maze of distro-specific shell scripts that was there before it.
Re:After 30 Years, Linux Finally Hits 3% Market Share by dTal on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @10:00AM (#36681097)
Systemd definitely belongs in the list, even if some admins like it.

"Windowsification" is a admittedly vague concept, but tends to cover software that is gratuitously different, not a team player in the bazaar, prone to making land grabs through "embrace and extend", and reluctant to offer configuration options that conflict with its "opinionated" stances.

As an aside, I'm really sick of the systemd / "random pile of shell scripts" false dichotomy. It's trivial to turn a python script into a system service with runit, too. Simple, stable, and focused.

Re:After 30 Years, Linux Finally Hits 3% Market Share by JohnFen on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @11:06AM (#36682073)
Systemd was widely adopted because it makes life easier for the distros. It is directly resulting from the increased popularity of Linux putting an increased demand on them.
Re:After 30 Years, Linux Finally Hits 3% Market Share by jonfw on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @11:22AM (#36682274)
I don't see what ubuntu takes away from arch, alpine, or gentoo. There are many options