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Re:Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983 (1200% since 198... by drunner on Monday July 10, 2023 @01:26PM (#36669674)
Related: https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/chart-of-the-day-administrati...

I always thought the issue was in admin body count. However, just picking the largest universities in Germany and US on wikipedia we see:

Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich Academic staff: 5,565 Administrative staff: 8,208 Students: 51,606

Michigan State University Academic staff: 5,703 Administrative staff: 7,365 Students: 49,809

Those look pretty comparable, so what is going on?

Re:Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983 (1200% since 198... by solarmist on Monday July 10, 2023 @01:31PM (#36669757)
Limited budget vs uncapped budget.

The way student loans are structured is the cause.

Re:Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983 (1200% since 198... by akiselev on Monday July 10, 2023 @01:52PM (#36670198)
Michigan state is a public university, which generally aren't as bad because their mission tend towards providing low cost education to residents.

Stanford University, for example: Academic staff: 2,279; Administrative staff: 15,314, Students: 17,246 - that's basically 1:1

A less prestigious private university like University of Southern California: Academic staff: 4,706; Administrative staff: 16,614; Students: 49,318 - that's about 1:2.5

Re:Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983 (1200% since 198... by ericmay on Monday July 10, 2023 @02:15PM (#36670616)
But both of those universities are quasi-private (I don't consider any university to be truly private unless proven otherwise) so it's less of a concern. That being said w.r.t administrative staff some of those staff may be research scientists that work with academic staff, or maybe they're dual-employed at Meta and Stanford, or something like that.

You have to really break down the administrative staff number (if that's what's of concern here) to see what people are doing to make an informed argument (not saying you are making an uninformed argument or anything like that).

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For a while I was in on the administrative staff thing and I certainly think there is bloat and just flat out incompetence at many universities in this area, but I also think it's a bit of a red herring to avoid other issues like funding reductions, etc.

Re:Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983 (1200% since 198... by UncleMeat on Monday July 10, 2023 @03:11PM (#36671446)
Are adjuncts included in those numbers? Universities use a ton of contract labor to teach classes and those adjuncts aren't actually employees.