They're not just being refused service by hosting companies or the like, ISPs are not routing to them. That's new, and that's what I think is worth "planting a flag" about; it's not a newspaper refusing to print your articles, it's the post office refusing to ship your newspaper. If that's not being silenced then I don't know what is.
Said clause being, “specifically”, clause 3.1 of HARICA Subscriber Agreement. Which can be read here: https://repo.harica.gr/documents/SA-ToU_EN.pdf
This argument is unsupported by your comment. What value does kf create? Far as I can tell it only destroys value with their trail of suicides and bigoted behavior.
Even if that were true (and I don't think it is), freedom only for those who "create value" is no freedom at all.
Distinction without a material difference. This is only slightly to mail delivery services refusing delivery to homes with aggressive animals. In this case it’s telecom operators not enabling violent criminals that could create liability if left unaddressed.
No it wasn’t. Both in life and in death William Atchison was made fun of by the members of multiple communities, gaining the posthumous nickname “Couch Cuck”. A “haven” for murderers would not obsessively archive information relating to murderers, such as social medias (which consistently delete the information to avoid being associated), prior convictions, etc with the intent to study and publicly shame them. One can argue of the efficacy of this, but it is no different than what MSM does. In fact, KiwiFarms can be attributed to the destruction of a CP/animal torture ring and multiple arrests, due to their archival efforts and Internet sleuthing.
Additionally, on the topic of “reprehensible behavior”, companies like CloudFlare happily accept money from animal abuse websites. And under every metric KiwiFarms is legal under US law. So while companies are legally allowed to disassociate for almost any reason, we have to ask why illegal websites remain while legal ones are disassociated. And considering CloudFlare initially sided with KiwiFarms, it truly is not as clear cut as “they found the content disagreeable”.
On topic to your off topic, I was definitely not expecting KiwiFarms to mentioned either.
>A “haven” for murderers would not obsessively archive information relating to murderers, such as social medias (which consistently delete the information to avoid being associated), prior convictions, etc with the intent to study and publicly shame them.
This is not logical. Many murderers study infamous murder cases to learn how to be better murderers. For some it may merely be a morbid curiosity, for others, it’s research. You cannot discern the intentions from the comments, but rather the outcomes, which speaks voluminously; if you’d bother to look for the reports on this.
>KiwiFarms can be attributed to the destruction of a CP/animal torture ring and multiple arrests, due to their archival efforts and Internet sleuthing.
And 4chan got a terrorist training camp bombed. And Reddit got an innocent killed during the hunt for the Boston bomber. These are not examples of uniformly good character, even the worst criminals have soft spots. Nazis made some wondrous technology, should we forgive their attempted genocides and eugenics?
Re cloud flare, I support shaming them for this support of bad actors and hurting their bottom line but that is off topic goal post moving.
Alright, can you prove they funnel others into such depraved communities?
> This is not logical.
By your own “logic” anyone who studies crime is practicing to be a mass murderer, which is objectively not true. If they were truly some murderous training ground, why is their so little as a result?
> Nazis made some wondrous technology, should we forgive their attempted genocides and eugenics?
Well the USA, Europe, and many others certainly did when harvesting their best minds. However that is besides the point, as KiwiFarms has done nothing comparable. They say mean things and archive actions taken by others in public. Making fun of others is seen as rude, however it is not illegal. If it was false and caused damages it could be slander/libel, however that has yet to be the case to my knowledge.
> I support shaming them for this support of bad actors
The problem is that there is inconsistency here. You and many others do not campaign CloudFlare to remove illegal websites, or even websites in a similar vein to KF, yet you urge them to remove a single legal (albeit unsavory) gossip forum? If this stance was uniform I could understand it better. As it stands it simply comes off as intellectually dishonest.
Take Chloe Sagal, who fraudulently crowdfunded money to pay for a sex change. Not misappropriated-- defrauded. Prior to her demise, she made a speech in a public park about homelessness or something and self-immolated to raise attention to it. One would think she'd have named her abuser and drawn attention to that were they responsible for her death...
...like Byuu tried to do, when he faked his own death and blamed KF in a forged "suicide" note. Surprise, KF "victim" commits fraud.
Chris-chan was another of their victims. Poor guy (or girl? I can't keep up). This tortured soul was recently released from prison for raping his own 80 year old mother.
Your link complains about Onision being harassed by Kiwi Farms. Poor Onision. He's been deplatformed since that article was written. I'm sure the entire subsection of his Wikipedia article addressing "allegations of abuse, child grooming and rape" are all fake news.
There's Keffals-- SWATed by KF, we are told...around the same time KF was asking questions about $100K misappropriated from a fundraiser for Trans Lifeline. So, more fraud. Prior to that, there were detailed discussions about Keffals' involvement with the Catboy Ranch child-grooming Discord channel and their conspiring with another party to sell back-channel hormones to children without parental knowledge or consent. The media lapped up the persecuted victim narrative though. Keffals fled to Ireland after the raid, for no credible reason. This is the most egregious example I saw.
Exposure of sexual impropriety involving children and/or crowdfunding fraud are disturbingly common stories involving most of Kiwi Farms' "victims." These are very damning public accusations, yet despite this, nobody I'm aware of has bothered to sue the owner for defamation. Instead, the social media campaign against them relies entirely on histrionics, extralegal abuses like sustained DDoS attacks, smear campaigns and falsifying abuse claims to upstream providers. For as terrible as they supposedly are, the truth alone should do the job, but the story is that they're just so full of hate they must be banned from the entire internet. This narrative is brought to us by the very people the site identified as fraudsters.
It's only fitting that when you call out public figures engaging in abuse and fraud, people with an interest in getting away with either will leverage both in their efforts to silence opposition.
Disingenuous hot take. People tolerate the offensive. I’m tolerating you right now.
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sites/kiwi-farms
Kiwi farms was a haven for degenerate anti social wanna be mass murderer. No sane business wants that association. No one is silencing these people, they are being lawfully discriminated against (refused service) for their reprehensible behavior. That’s freedom of association in action. The laws prohibiting the government from acting against someone for their words do not apply to the individual. In other words, tolerance only extends insofar as the infringers intolerance can be tolerated without relinquishing inalienable rights.
Off topic, but kiwi farms is a weird hill to plant a flag in on this topic.