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Re:Openworm – a biological simulation of a worm with 302 neu... by inglor_cz on Friday July 07, 2023 @03:59AM (#36628629)
This. Submarines don't swim like fish, airplanes don't fly like birds and cars don't run like gepards.

Edit: I am surprised at the downvotes. In general, we learn from the nature, but aping it usually proved too difficult and often unpractical at the same time. Do we really want to replicate worm intelligence for practical purposes, or do we want something different?

I would say that a machine which can, say, analyze chemical compounds for their potential biological functions, is a very practical form of "intelligence" and yet very far from any biological intelligence that was ever produced in vivo. Worms cannot do that and even humans struggle with such tasks.

Re:Openworm – a biological simulation of a worm with 302 neu... by chromanoid on Friday July 07, 2023 @04:09AM (#36628700)
Yeah, but we understand why birds can fly and why fish can swim and how gepards can run, at least on a mechanical basis.

This is not true for how this 302 cell organism works. We don't know and struggle to understand. That's actually the reason why the project exists. To find out how everything works with an bottom-up approach.

While we may find shortcuts or even superior forms of intelligence without understanding how intelligence works in biological creatures, it is still curious how we struggle even with a "simple" organism like C.elegans.

Re:Openworm – a biological simulation of a worm with 302 neu... by XorNot on Friday July 07, 2023 @05:14AM (#36629184)
Except understanding how a bird can fly had little bearing on building the Wright brothers flyer.

And most of the details of bird flight were not exactly discovered till well after commercial air travel was commonplace.

Re:Openworm – a biological simulation of a worm with 302 neu... by chromanoid on Friday July 07, 2023 @06:54AM (#36629859)
While the exact details were not understood, the mechanics were visible and explainable to some extent. The Wright brothers were at least inspired by birds. https://www.wright-brothers.org/History_Wing/Wright_Story/In...

We still don't know how cells in C. elegans work together. It's neither visible nor explainable on a satisfying level.

Re:Openworm – a biological simulation of a worm with 302 neu... by XorNot on Friday July 07, 2023 @07:44AM (#36630244)
No but we observably do know that that the connections between cells are important, to the point that by mimicking that we've derived significant benefit.

The Wright flyer didn't flap, and the wings only superficially look like anything a bird has.

Re:Openworm – a biological simulation of a worm with 302 neu... by chromanoid on Friday July 07, 2023 @09:35AM (#36631536)
> No but we observably do know that that the connections between cells are important, to the point that by mimicking that we've derived significant benefit.

That is true and it shows even more how important observabilty is for science and engineering. That's also why a simulation that actually provides an accurate enough model of reality might help us so much. The problem with AI right now is, that we try or even claim to understand Unix by mimicking the functionality of transistors.

> The Wright flyer didn't flap, and the wings only superficially look like anything a bird has.

They tried to mimick bird wings when coming up with flight control mechanisms.

Re:Openworm – a biological simulation of a worm with 302 neu... by szundi on Friday July 07, 2023 @04:07AM (#36628693)
And for some reason it is because somehow life is not able the produce rotating axles?
Re:Openworm – a biological simulation of a worm with 302 neu... by PeterisP on Friday July 07, 2023 @04:41AM (#36628969)
Not only, it's also because of the square/cube law making it impossible to have a 50 ton flyer that flies in the same manner as a 5 kg flyer, you can't simply scale things up.
Re:Openworm – a biological simulation of a worm with 302 neu... by cnlevy on Friday July 07, 2023 @06:36AM (#36629725)
Rotating molecular motors exist (a proton powered turbine in the video)

http://biovisions.mcb.harvard.edu/anim_mitochondria.html

Re:Openworm – a biological simulation of a worm with 302 neu... by dekhn on Friday July 07, 2023 @10:25AM (#36632230)