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Re:Air France Denied My Delay Compensation, So I Challenged ... by MicropenisMike on Thursday July 06, 2023 @07:29PM (#36624781)
What's the solution though?
Re:Air France Denied My Delay Compensation, So I Challenged ... by lmm on Thursday July 06, 2023 @07:41PM (#36624907)
Laws similar to those EU laws mentioned in the article.

You can definitely go further than that - a strong consumer protection agency that actually enforced these rules would help more - but having those rules in place would at least help people like OP who are willing to stand on their rights (and in turn that creates incentives for airlines to do the right thing), and is already proven to be a viable approach.

Re:Air France Denied My Delay Compensation, So I Challenged ... by garbagecoder on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:58AM (#36627347)
>Laws similar to those EU laws mentioned in the article.

Doesn't seem to stop Air France.

Re:Air France Denied My Delay Compensation, So I Challenged ... by orangewindies on Friday July 07, 2023 @02:35AM (#36628000)
There's ongoing work to update the regulations to remove a lot of the loopholes. For example, some airlines like to try to claim that pretty much any delay/cancellation is caused by "extraordinary circumstances", even though court decisions have limited when that excuse can be used.

The efforts to clearly define some of the vague parts of EU261 have been held up by intense lobbying from the airline industry.

One important addition that has been suggested would be to force airlines to publish the cause of disruptions, so that they can't lie about it later when passengers are trying to claim compensation.

Re:Air France Denied My Delay Compensation, So I Challenged ... by lmm on Friday July 07, 2023 @02:39AM (#36628038)
OP managed to get a decent amount of money after a bit of hassle, which is a lot better than how it works for US domestic flights.
Re:Air France Denied My Delay Compensation, So I Challenged ... by cromka on Friday July 07, 2023 @02:21PM (#36636122)
These EU regulations do not apply when a delay or cancellation is due to the weather.

I really don’t see a problem here, you can’t just predict weather 100%, so why blame the airlines?

Re:Air France Denied My Delay Compensation, So I Challenged ... by MichaelZuo on Saturday July 08, 2023 @12:44PM (#36646127)
They do mandate some compensation if it's a sufficiently long delay due to weather? (Such as hotel rooms overnight, meal comps., etc...)
Re:Air France Denied My Delay Compensation, So I Challenged ... by PaulDavisThe1st on Thursday July 06, 2023 @07:59PM (#36625066)
Essentially, telling airlines and airports that they need to move their provisioning levels much further from "the minimum we can get away with when everything works OK" and significantly closer to "able to deal effectively when the shit hits the fan".
Re:Air France Denied My Delay Compensation, So I Challenged ... by gottorf on Thursday July 06, 2023 @10:50PM (#36626473)
Net margins being what they are for US domestic airlines (single-digit percentage on average), the additional resilience will most likely be reflected in higher prices for the consumer. Of course, that may be worth the tradeoff.
Re:Air France Denied My Delay Compensation, So I Challenged ... by vkou on Thursday July 06, 2023 @11:19PM (#36626665)
Slack in the system and higher ticket prices to support it.
Re:Air France Denied My Delay Compensation, So I Challenged ... by pgwhalen on Friday July 07, 2023 @08:57AM (#36631010)
For the last half century of commercial flight, however, the airline passenger has shown nothing if not a desire for lower airfares at any cost.
Re:Air France Denied My Delay Compensation, So I Challenged ... by 23B1 on Friday July 07, 2023 @05:11PM (#36638349)
Lowered costs shouldn't mean criminal abuse though. If I eat at a fast food restaurant, I expect crappy meat, sure – but I shouldn't be held hostage in my booth until they decide to get around to delivering my food.
Re:Air France Denied My Delay Compensation, So I Challenged ... by pgwhalen on Friday July 07, 2023 @08:20PM (#36639991)
I don't support allowing criminal behavior on the part of the airlines.

But it's extraordinary hyperbole to suggest that too few customer service reps to quickly handle the needs of many travelers during an adverse weather advent amounts to criminal abuse.