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Re:Cory Doctorow: Platform Capitalism and the Curse of “Ensh... by throw0101c on Thursday July 06, 2023 @08:44AM (#36614918)
> […] and yes, even Apple

I was under the impression that Apple makes most of its money from margins on hardware sales, with services a growing percentage (Apple TV, App Store).

The "advertising and marketing" that is involved with Apple is them spending money on it so people know about what they sell, and not so much Apple taking in advertising and marketing money (which Google and Meta do).

Re:Cory Doctorow: Platform Capitalism and the Curse of “Ensh... by michaelcampbell on Thursday July 06, 2023 @09:04AM (#36615131)
Part of their advertising IS their hardware. It's definitely good, but it's almost mostly fashion.
Re:Cory Doctorow: Platform Capitalism and the Curse of “Ensh... by smoldesu on Thursday July 06, 2023 @08:55AM (#36615029)
The bad part (from my perspective) is that I pay a premium for iOS/MacOS but still get ads anyways. Why does the App Store show me ads if I'm sponsoring it with every app I purchase? Why does Apple Music show me a pop-up ad when I accidentally auto-launch it with my headphones? Why does Safari still want me to try the new one?

Apple does not live or die off advertisements like some others, but they are definitely a victim of this downward trend. As their margins on hardware shrink, their relationship with China comes under threat, and their monopoly on The App Store becomes less certain, it will be interesting to see how well they resist this pattern.

Re:Cory Doctorow: Platform Capitalism and the Curse of “Ensh... by passwordoops on Thursday July 06, 2023 @09:55AM (#36615806)
Nope, they have an extensive ad network that conveniently continues to track users, even when they opt out of the tracking that Meta and Google fought so hard against:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2022-08-14/apple-...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2021/10/19/apples-...

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/apple-is-an-ad-company-now

https://9to5mac.com/2022/08/03/apple-ads-expansion/