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Re:Who cares about the Ivy League? by AuryGlenz on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @10:51AM (#36601232)
What you believe about people’s potential in no way matches the science on the matter. IQ is largely hereditary.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/twin-research-and-hu...

Re:Who cares about the Ivy League? by nineplay on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @11:06AM (#36601441)
You're assuming that people who are admitted to Ivy League schools a) have higher IQs than average and b) have parents with higher IQs than average.

Neither of these need to be true. It's a incestuous system where it's easy to believe that people of average IQ have been born into privilege for generations and succeeded only because of their family wealth and connections.

Re:Who cares about the Ivy League? by adamsmith143 on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @11:50AM (#36602160)
Are you saying that say MIT and Caltech students don't have higher than average IQ? It's almost a certainty that they do and I'm sure it extends to the Ivy league and other elite schools.
Re:Who cares about the Ivy League? by nineplay on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @12:57PM (#36603252)
I'll bet that most students with good grades who are applying to elite colleges have higher than average IQs.

MIT and Caltech are not Ivy League but even then I'm sure they have a lot of students who benefit from private schools, private tutors, and pricy college prep programs. What differentiates the ones who get accepted from the ones who don't?

Re:Who cares about the Ivy League? by adamsmith143 on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @01:47PM (#36604127)
> I'll bet that most students with good grades who are applying to elite colleges have higher than average IQs.

That wasn't your claim:

> You're assuming that people who are admitted to Ivy League schools a) have higher IQs than average and b) have parents with higher IQs than average.

>What differentiates the ones who get accepted from the ones who don't? At Caltech and MIT?

Possibly the most meritocratic schools in the US?

Idk, .001 on your GPA or a single point on your SAT and AP scores? Or the fact that you didn't win an IOM medal or Intel Talent Search?

Re:Who cares about the Ivy League? by TMWNN on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @06:57PM (#36608370)
>You're assuming that people who are admitted to Ivy League schools a) have higher IQs than average and b) have parents with higher IQs than average.

>Neither of these need to be true.

As George Orwell said, "One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe things like that: no ordinary man could be such a fool".

Re:Who cares about the Ivy League? by yterdy on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @11:29AM (#36601777)
Hereditary is not the same as genetic. Non-genetic inheritance exists; gene expression can be affected by trauma or want experienced by immediate ancestors. The traits that result from this inheritance can be modified through therapy; the framework for the unmodified trait continues to exist in the organism, barring catastrophic environmental circumstances.
Re:Who cares about the Ivy League? by gochi on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @11:15AM (#36601566)
It's not that clear of a correlation actually (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4557354/).
Re:Who cares about the Ivy League? by ftmootnomoat on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @11:30AM (#36601794)
The ability and willingness to perform well on IQ tests is a metric which deserves adequate analysis. Taking it out of scope by conflating it with "potential" and "heredity" is a lack intellectual rigor.
Re:Who cares about the Ivy League? by tacomonstrous on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @10:58AM (#36601341)
Your second sentence has almost nothing to do with the first.
Re:Who cares about the Ivy League? by hnbad on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @11:14AM (#36601562)
That article does not say what you seem to think it says. Heritability and IQ are both fairly complex topics and citing a single article out of context doesn't do the subject justice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ

That said, your statement does not follow from your argument. The heritability of IQ is unrelated to whether people's potential is wasted by being denied access to a nepotistic college system. The school system is not a meritocracy either.

Re:Who cares about the Ivy League? by AuryGlenz on Thursday July 06, 2023 @02:03AM (#36611910)
shrug

There were plenty of studies that popped up; I just picked one. Wikipedia for something controversial like IQ is iffy which is why I didn't link that.

Re:Who cares about the Ivy League? by light_hue_1 on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @11:43AM (#36602021)
IQ is not "intelligence". Low IQ closes many doors. Normal and above IQ aren't correlated with anything. For example in "Zagorsky JL. Do you have to be smart to be rich? The impact of IQ on wealth, income and financial distress. Intelligence. 2007 Sep 1;35(5):489-501." https://gwern.net/doc/iq/ses/2007-zagorsky.pdf There is no relationship between IQ and wealth. And income after an IQ of around 100 barely goes up.

About heritability, that doesn't say that if your parents had an IQ of X you will have an IQ of ~X. It says, two people with "identical" DNA will have IQs that are very similar! There's also the big caveat that many scientists think these studies have confounds that overstate the results. But even if they are real, they don't mean what you think they do.