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Re:Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for ... by mutlimind on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @07:29AM (#36598812)
In the past 2 decades Germany has blown hundreds of billions of dollars into renewable energy. Now we have the highest electricity price in the world. It is all socialism. Zero market :-(
Re:Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for ... by ragebol on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @07:31AM (#36598840)
The price is determined by the most expensive generator. Without renewables, prices would have been even higher
Re:Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for ... by Aachen on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @07:36AM (#36598894)
> Now we have the highest electricity price in the world.

Imagine what that price would have been if the renewables hadn't been there and they bought only "green" gas plants instead.

Or "green" nuclear, but we don't talk about that in Germany anymore

Re:Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for ... by looping__lui on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @07:38AM (#36598910)
Oh, but you are aware that we need to DOUBLE our installed capacity for gas by 2030 in order to be able to manage our electricity grid towards renewables, right? Page 25:

https://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/content/dam/ise/de/documents/p...

Re:Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for ... by iSnow on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @08:27AM (#36599427)
Nowhere on p 25 can I find this. Maybe you mean p 27, and I don't get what argument you are trying to make. Yes, there would be more gas capacity, but for green gas.
Re:Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for ... by looping__lui on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @11:23AM (#36601692)
“Green gas”. You mean Biogas?

That isn’t really an option: https://www.capital.de/amp/wirtschaft-politik/kann-biogas-ru...

Re:Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for ... by adrianN on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @01:44PM (#36604068)
They likely mean hydrogen.
Re:Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for ... by looping__lui on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @02:02PM (#36604413)
Like an unproven technology at industry scale to power 50% of Germans electricity need reliably - all within the next 7 years? We don’t even have fast internet. Yeah.
Re:Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for ... by adrianN on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @11:32PM (#36610797)
What's industry scale? We have the technology to burn hydrogen and we have megawatt-scale electrolysis. What else do you want?
Re:Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for ... by looping__lui on Thursday July 06, 2023 @02:24AM (#36612054)
Where do u get the hydrogen from and how do you transport it at the scale required is one of these “questions for starters”. Megawatt scale isn’t really gonna cut it - the largest one in Germany has 110 MW (?) so we would need almost 1000 of them to cover our need when the sun doesn’t shine or there aint no wind
Re:Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for ... by adrianN on Friday July 07, 2023 @08:22AM (#36630605)
You make it in one of the thousands of electrolyzers you build and transport it in the same way you transport natgas.
Re:Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for ... by iSnow on Friday July 07, 2023 @06:27AM (#36629671)
It's right in your own source that they are talking about hydrogen. Page 27
Re:Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for ... by chess_buster on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @08:26AM (#36599416)
The energy is traded using Direktvermarktung and that's purely a market.
Re:Germany Achieves Record 57.7% Renewable Energy Share for ... by adrianN on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @01:46PM (#36604096)
Come back with "market" once the CO2 price hits the real costs. Estimates I've seen range from 200€-700€/tCO2e. Until then we're borrowing billions of Euros from the future every year to burn more fossil fuels.