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Re:Apple forced to make major cuts to Vision Pro headset pro... by cxr on Tuesday July 04, 2023 @03:18PM (#36591400)
> What would you do with one on a device where every app is heavily sandboxed and there's no common file system?

Access each app's sandbox to move/copy/exfiltrate the data contained there, for whatever reason the user desires. Not much different from the way file managers are used on traditional desktop systems.

Re:Apple forced to make major cuts to Vision Pro headset pro... by troupo on Tuesday July 04, 2023 @04:17PM (#36592004)
> Access each app's sandbox to move/copy/exfiltrate the data contained there, for whatever reason the user desires.

That breaks the security promise that apps don't have direct access to other apps' data.

There's a reason you can't even access photos without an explicit user prompt.

> Not much different from the way file managers are used on traditional desktop systems

Traditional desktop systems never had heavily sandboxed apps with no outside access

Re:Apple forced to make major cuts to Vision Pro headset pro... by cxr on Tuesday July 04, 2023 @04:56PM (#36592416)
> That breaks the security promise that apps don't have direct access to other apps' data.

No it doesn't. Giving the user the ability to get their hands on their own data is not the same as giving other apps direct access to it.

> Traditional desktop systems never had heavily sandboxed apps with no outside access

That's completely orthogonal.

Re:Apple forced to make major cuts to Vision Pro headset pro... by troupo on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @01:34AM (#36595888)
> Giving the user the ability to get their hands on their own data

Does the user have the need for that on an iPhone?

I don't think a single app on my phone has any files I'd ever need access to

> That's completely orthogonal.

Of course it's not orthogonal

Re:Apple forced to make major cuts to Vision Pro headset pro... by cxr on Thursday July 06, 2023 @07:10PM (#36624585)
> Of course it's not orthogonal

You questioned whether there was a use case for file managers when apps do not share a "common file system" and are "heavily sandboxed", and stipulated that providing one would break the security promise of not giving apps "direct access to other apps' data".

Whether desktop systems have traditionally sandboxed their apps to the same degree is, in fact, orthogonal. It's a separate question entirely.

> Does the user have the need for that on an iPhone?

Sorry, but when I spot somebody moving the goalposts (and failing to acknowledge when one they staked out earlier was satisfied), my approach is not to indulge them by continuing to respond as if they're just like anyone else having a discussion in good faith. Instead, I say, "you are moving the goalposts; you are not asking in good faith". This is monumentally helpful in making economical use of my time.