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Re:Goodreads was the future of book reviews. Then Amazon bou... by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF on Monday July 03, 2023 @02:14PM (#36576809)
If a blanket ban runs into this problem, what about a "ban by default"? Basically just flip the script so it doesn't require a denial based on circumstances but instead an approval based on circumstances.
Re:Goodreads was the future of book reviews. Then Amazon bou... by fsckboy on Monday July 03, 2023 @02:24PM (#36576951)
I like the way you think.
Re:Goodreads was the future of book reviews. Then Amazon bou... by hakunin on Monday July 03, 2023 @03:52PM (#36577953)
This doesn’t work in practice due to typically severe time constraints. You cannot expect a business that has 6 days of life left to wait for such an approval process. These things never happen fast.
Re:Goodreads was the future of book reviews. Then Amazon bou... by turmacar on Monday July 03, 2023 @04:01PM (#36578033)
What M&A are you familiar with that they can typically happen in a 6 day timeframe?

I know this is already a stressed straw man in the first place but M&A are aren't a short simple process anyway. Adding some oversight isn't going to change that.

Yes there are tradeoffs to more regulation vs total anarchy/free market. That doesn't mean they're not worth it. "Good" is not the enemy of "perfect" and all.

Re:Goodreads was the future of book reviews. Then Amazon bou... by akiselev on Monday July 03, 2023 @05:15PM (#36578962)
> What M&A are you familiar with that they can typically happen in a 6 day timeframe?

Youtube, for one: https://techcrunch.com/2011/10/30/the-entire-1-65b-acquisiti...

Android as well, if I'm remembering correctly.

They don't necessarily need to complete the acquisition in a week, just get the broad details negotiated and agreed to. Given the GP's bankruptcy example, if they thought it was worth the risk the acquirer can extend a bare minimum amount of credit to keep the company alive while they do the rest of due diligence and finish the acquisition, folding it into a breakup fee.

Re:Goodreads was the future of book reviews. Then Amazon bou... by pclmulqdq on Monday July 03, 2023 @07:01PM (#36579925)
An M&A negotiation can take a matter of hours, in theory. Only for public/very big companies does it get weird.
Re:Goodreads was the future of book reviews. Then Amazon bou... by freddie_mercury on Tuesday July 04, 2023 @01:16AM (#36582500)
> What M&A are you familiar with that they can typically happen in a 6 day timeframe?

Virtually every single bank failure that happens results in an M&A that is negotiated over a weekend.

Most recently Credit Suisse collapsed in March. UBS bought it on Monday, March 19, after negotiations began on Friday, March 16. UBS offered a price that was 60% lower than the Friday closing price. The deal was accepted.

Re:Goodreads was the future of book reviews. Then Amazon bou... by alex028502 on Tuesday July 04, 2023 @01:58AM (#36582733)
Interestingly in this case an "approval" similar to the one we are talking about did happen over that weekend didn't it? I think the approvers brokered the deal.
Re:Goodreads was the future of book reviews. Then Amazon bou... by abenga on Tuesday July 04, 2023 @02:33AM (#36582981)
Regulators were concerned about a collapse causing contagion that results in a financial crisis. Would they care to do that for a little startup with a few dozen employees?
Re:Goodreads was the future of book reviews. Then Amazon bou... by flangola7 on Monday July 03, 2023 @04:37PM (#36578444)
The FTC had no problem running FTX on less notice.
Re:Goodreads was the future of book reviews. Then Amazon bou... by ClumsyPilot on Monday July 03, 2023 @06:58PM (#36579899)
> You cannot expect a business that has 6 days of life left to wait for such an approval process.

A homeless man that has 6 hours left to live in the cold winter often cant get shelter, because instead we are really concerned with caterting the entire fabric of society to fictiontion problems that might one day affect a mismanaged business.

Re:Goodreads was the future of book reviews. Then Amazon bou... by parineum on Tuesday July 04, 2023 @01:00AM (#36582412)
Explain how that is related.
Re:Goodreads was the future of book reviews. Then Amazon bou... by mtsr on Tuesday July 04, 2023 @06:18AM (#36584635)
I’ll try to explain:

Clearly there are serious scenarios outside M&A where we accept terrible failures due to regulations. Why not accept some in M&A as well?

Re:Goodreads was the future of book reviews. Then Amazon bou... by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF on Tuesday July 04, 2023 @08:36AM (#36585842)
Admittedly, I read the other comment as a whataboutism. This explanation seems to help.

I think one could argue that the business failure is likely to affect more people, therefore it’s a greater impact. Still, I ultimately agree with this stance (in the context of business survival, not personal); failure is an inherent risk of business.

Re:Goodreads was the future of book reviews. Then Amazon bou... by mtsr on Tuesday July 04, 2023 @01:42PM (#36590031)
Agreed. The number of people affected is a big difference. But I think the comparison does make clear that isn’t necessarily a principled reason not to accept a few failures as part of otherwise useful regulation.
Re:Goodreads was the future of book reviews. Then Amazon bou... by omniglottal on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @06:59PM (#36608387)
A "few failures as part of otherwise useful regulation" sounds an awful lot like some innocent victims exists, treated as guilty. Treating the (presumed) innocent as though guilty, by regulation even, doesn't sound all that good. In fact, seems there in fact are profound and relevant principles to not accept that.
Re:Goodreads was the future of book reviews. Then Amazon bou... by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @09:03PM (#36609552)
> some innocent victims exists, treated as guilty

The context in this discussion is comparing the hypothetical of a homeless person dying due to a systemic failure to the hypothetical of a business going bankrupt (without being acquired) due to a systemic failure.

This concept of presumed innocence ought to apply to this hypothetical homeless person: why not give them shelter (analogous to allowing M&A) by default, until someone decides it’s a problem? If a society is willing to accept this personal death, they should be willing to accept a business failure.