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Re:FBI finally tracks “swatting” incidents as attacks increa... by bawolff on Friday June 30, 2023 @10:29PM (#36545753)
> That's an odd take. What would a college degree bring to the table for a regular beat cop/patrolman?

Cops are expected to be able to descalate situations, identify suspicious situations, in theory behave in accordancd with the rule of law and limitations on police force, and much more. These all seem like things that could be in a degree program.

Re:FBI finally tracks “swatting” incidents as attacks increa... by Gud on Saturday July 01, 2023 @02:03AM (#36547105)
And why would a degree program be better than on the job training?

I’m not saying the theory is not important - I just don’t see how years of theoretical study is warranted

Re:FBI finally tracks “swatting” incidents as attacks increa... by tourmalinetaco on Saturday July 01, 2023 @02:26AM (#36547252)
Okay, now replace “police” with “doctor” or “lawyer”. In a job that is mostly theory, having theoretical study is important. Because otherwise lives are ruined. It also helps to filter deadbeats who just want to abuse the system, which is unfortunately a non-zero percentage of police.

I’m not saying we need 10+ years of study, but at least a bachelors focused on civics and humane treatment + a psych evaluation would do wonders to clearing out abusers.

Re:FBI finally tracks “swatting” incidents as attacks increa... by Gud on Saturday July 01, 2023 @02:58AM (#36547462)
That’s because those jobs are highly theoretical.

Being a street cop is not.

Re:FBI finally tracks “swatting” incidents as attacks increa... by bawolff on Saturday July 01, 2023 @06:56AM (#36548766)
I think fundamentally i don't agree with that.
Re:FBI finally tracks “swatting” incidents as attacks increa... by orwin on Saturday July 01, 2023 @07:15AM (#36548895)
Being a painter/woodworker/upholsterer is way less theoretical than being a street cop.

But if you hire an untrained one, or one that only learned on the job, you'll have a way, way worse end result than if you hire a formed one (or it will take trice the time and double the materials, if I listen to my father's stories). Two years is enough for low-level workers, i'd guess 3 to 4 should do the work for the police (considering it's 6 to 8 years and a masterwork for compagnons, pro woodworkers/upholsterers would still be better trained than police).

Re:FBI finally tracks “swatting” incidents as attacks increa... by manuelabeledo on Saturday July 01, 2023 @03:29AM (#36547662)
Perhaps not a degree, but definitely enough study to make it harder to get in.

Cops in pretty much any developed country go through one to four years of training. Most give trainees extra points for related studies, like law or criminology. South Korea, for example, has a police university.

Then you have places like the US, where training plus probation time is, on average, less than a year.

I’m not saying that it would make US police necessarily better, but it is clear that they need better, harder, and more comprehensive training, given the current state of affairs.

Re:FBI finally tracks “swatting” incidents as attacks increa... by Gud on Saturday July 01, 2023 @03:48AM (#36547773)
I agree.

My main gripe is that over the last 40 years we have worked hard to force people to get college degrees even for work were on the job training produce more competent individuals.

Re:FBI finally tracks “swatting” incidents as attacks increa... by orwin on Saturday July 01, 2023 @07:28AM (#36548967)
No. You just have bad degrees.

I don't know about others professions a lot since I only met a US woodworkers/carpenter, but I'm pretty sure others would be a bit ashamed comparing an out-of school French/Swiss compagnon to any woodworker with less than 30 years of experience. The one I met was ashamed that an formed upholsterer was more precise and knew more about angles than him, despite him being 24 years older (and at that time, my father wasn't working in construction at all).

In fact, considering the number of 'X-doing American react to X in Europe' video, you might find one showing exactly how your carpenters aren't that good (or at least, those working in WV/Ohio, the US is a big country).

Re:FBI finally tracks “swatting” incidents as attacks increa... by Gud on Saturday July 01, 2023 @01:31PM (#36552559)
I’m not American. I’m Swedish(who live in Switzerland).
Re:FBI finally tracks “swatting” incidents as attacks increa... by alistairSH on Saturday July 01, 2023 @03:58PM (#36554417)
Is a degree necessary? Maybe not. But if you’re going to require 2-4 years of formal training, it may as well result in a degree.

Fact is policing in the 21st century is 1/3 social worker, 1/3 law enforcement, and 1/3 procedural red-tape (give or take). It takes a lot of training to do all three effectively. And we, as a nation, don’t require a whole heck of a lot of training.