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Re:Aristotle’s Rules for Living Well by mberning on Friday June 30, 2023 @07:53PM (#36544309)
You can get the cliffs notes version of virtue ethics from the stoics. Very approachable and clear to implement in life.

As an aside, I find it amusing that a piece in the New Yorker has the gall to criticize Aristotle of all people for meandering prose which often leads nowhere.

Re:Aristotle’s Rules for Living Well by leoh on Friday June 30, 2023 @08:06PM (#36544445)
It’s depressing to me how few folks are willing to tolerate “meandering prose” from folks they respect.

There seems to be a complete lack of understanding that this approach has been powerful for so many.

It seems to me that hardly anyone anymore understands or tolerated fruitful historical processes for creating systems of ideas.

Which, incidentally, involves reading.

Re:Aristotle’s Rules for Living Well by gcoladon on Friday June 30, 2023 @08:11PM (#36544491)
I can't help but be reminded of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CMHixb0KSI
Re:Aristotle’s Rules for Living Well by taylorportman on Friday June 30, 2023 @09:09PM (#36545099)
yes but have you considered httpd://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U53urw0rd5
Re:Aristotle’s Rules for Living Well by throw0101a on Friday June 30, 2023 @10:40PM (#36545829)
Some differences between the two as well:

> The main point of contention between Aristotelian and Stoics is the issue of whether virtue is sufficient for happiness (Aristotle, NE 1.8-10, Cicero, On Ends Books 3-5). Both Aristotle and Stoics claim that virtue is an essential component of happiness. But while Aristotle sees happiness as dependent on a combination of virtue and bodily goods (for instance, health) and external goods (for instance, money, power and friends), for the Stoics happiness depends solely on virtue. Thus, for Aristotle virtue is necessary for happiness, but not sufficient, whereas for the Stoics it is both necessary and sufficient.

* https://modernstoicism.com/aristotelian-and-stoic-happiness-...

Re:Aristotle’s Rules for Living Well by mberning on Friday June 30, 2023 @11:00PM (#36545971)
Seneca seemed to have an Aristotelian streak.
Re:Aristotle’s Rules for Living Well by bandrami on Saturday July 01, 2023 @03:40AM (#36547731)
Just here to throw in that the English word "happiness" probably doesn't give a great sense of the Greek εὐδαιμονία but it's what we're stuck with.
Re:Aristotle’s Rules for Living Well by briancleland on Saturday July 01, 2023 @05:56AM (#36548460)
"Thriving" or "wellbeing" are better translations.
Re:Aristotle’s Rules for Living Well by bandrami on Saturday July 01, 2023 @03:38AM (#36547710)
Aristotle's writings are already Cliffs notes; they're basically lecture notes as it is.

That said, Aristotle and Epictetus differed pretty significantly on the question of what constitutes happiness (this English word doesn't really capture the full sense of the Greek well), which is the core question of the ethics.

Re:Aristotle’s Rules for Living Well by briancleland on Saturday July 01, 2023 @05:52AM (#36548430)
While they both might be cited as examples of "virtue ethics" (a modern term and category) Stoicism and Aristotelianism are completely different philosophies.