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Re:Affirmative action at US colleges has been banned by mcpackieh on Thursday June 29, 2023 @11:49AM (#36522085)
> I've come understand it to mean "positively discriminate based on race, so long as it's a minority race" - please correct me of I'm wrong.

More or less, but not precisely. How do you define a "minority race"? Universities in America discriminate against Asian Americans despite them being a minority of the American population generally, ostensibly because they're over-represented in universities.

Re:Affirmative action at US colleges has been banned by chimeracoder on Thursday June 29, 2023 @12:30PM (#36522708)
> Universities in America discriminate against Asian Americans despite them being a minority of the American population generally, ostensibly because they're over-represented in universities.

This is a myth, and it's been debunked countless times, but it keeps getting repeated as fact (because it's the basis of the plaintiff's argument).

HN is very anti-anti-racism, so I fully expect this comment to get buried, but it's both surprising and frustrating to a crowd that otherwise likes to think of itself as data-informed throw around talking points that are based on logically fallacious readings of the data.

Re:Affirmative action at US colleges has been banned by mcpackieh on Thursday June 29, 2023 @12:36PM (#36522814)
> it's been debunked countless times

Change my mind then, and debunk it. Refuting isn't debunking.

Re:Affirmative action at US colleges has been banned by VirusNewbie on Thursday June 29, 2023 @12:33PM (#36522765)
It's not a myth, it's very obviously clear if you look at the data. How in the world have you seen it spun otherwise. Schools such as Harvard systematically rank asians the lowest on all of the non quantifiable metrics to lower their changes of admission.
Re:Affirmative action at US colleges has been banned by JamesBarney on Thursday June 29, 2023 @12:43PM (#36522962)
Re:Affirmative action at US colleges has been banned by chimeracoder on Thursday June 29, 2023 @12:51PM (#36523119)
> The Harvard Crimson disagrees with you.

You are linking to a student-run paper written and staffed by undergraduates, in which they report that "Asian-American matriculates had the highest average SAT score", which is not particularly meaningful because nobody (not even the plaintiffs in the lawsuit) claim that race and SAT scores are the only two factors that determine admissions.

This is exactly what I mean by facile readings of the data.

Re:Affirmative action at US colleges has been banned by prepend on Thursday June 29, 2023 @02:30PM (#36524699)
The Supreme Court disagrees with you.
Re:Affirmative action at US colleges has been banned by mrguyorama on Thursday June 29, 2023 @02:37PM (#36524800)
The self same court that once argued that slaves had no rights, and just recently said that it's okay to overturn an abortion protection because safe haven laws mean a mom should just go through labor (a not safe process in the US specifically) and drop the kid off later?
Re:Affirmative action at US colleges has been banned by prepend on Thursday June 29, 2023 @04:11PM (#36526037)
Yes, the self same court. Not that they are perfect, but they are the legal structure that we have in our country. And I’d say more likely to be correct than you or various organizations that disagree.

This is the best way we have to resolve disagreements and they ruled. Saying they are wrong is not terribly useful.

I don’t agree with all their rulings, but not sure how we set up a better system for resolving serious disagreements.

Re:Affirmative action at US colleges has been banned by goatlover on Thursday June 29, 2023 @01:12PM (#36523367)
Claiming it's a myth and has been debunked is not the same thing as actually debunking.
Re:Affirmative action at US colleges has been banned by prepend on Thursday June 29, 2023 @02:31PM (#36524721)
I hate this logic of “it’s so common, I won’t even attempt to link to the countless pieces of evidence. Of course, it’s a contentious issue so if you google you will find nothing. I’ll just make a vacuous statement and argue with you for not accepting it.”
Re:Affirmative action at US colleges has been banned by Supermancho on Thursday June 29, 2023 @05:36PM (#36527070)
Making someone else do a simple google search, because you simply want to reply "nuh uh" is uncharitable.

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/selectivebias/

https://www.city-journal.org/article/college-admissions-bias...

As I understand it, there was some evidence: Asians applications were being suppressed, due to volume to maintain...a more diverse student body (or maybe just every elite school was racist?). https://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherrim/2023/02/27/what-...