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Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by pmoriarty on Thursday June 29, 2023 @06:46AM (#36518742)
> That's what I really fear about LLMs, good content is going to get drowned out by endless bot drivel.

I anticipate the opposite.

Already AI content is better than crappy human writers.

In the medium term AI content is going to be better than most human writers (it arguably already is in some limited cases).

In the long term it may compete with the best human writers.

Some humans are too full of themselves, thinking they're so exceptional, while computers are proving time and again that's not so. The evidence is starting us in the face.

Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by sokoloff on Thursday June 29, 2023 @07:26AM (#36518991)
AI content today is better than the worst human writers, but only because the worst human writers are so terrible. (Think of you trying to write an essay in a language that you’ve only studied for 3 months bad.)

That doesn’t mean that LLMs are on a course to inevitably surpass the 90th percentile human writer (which is what most full-time writers presumably are). I may be a Luddite here, but I don’t expect that in my young kids’ lifetime.

Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by Guthur on Thursday June 29, 2023 @07:42AM (#36519119)
In my opinion LLM will never be able to replicate the human experience as it's solely based on language which in itself is only a poor facsimile of consciousness.

If writing is our best attempt to share our personal psychic experience then all LLM can be is fragments of those experiences and can not in itself experience the presence of being that is human.

Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by versteegen on Thursday June 29, 2023 @07:44AM (#36519129)
(I'll note you wrote "AI content" not "LLMs", before anyone gets the wrong idea.)

> Some humans are too full of themselves, thinking they're so exceptional, while computers are proving time and again that's not so. The evidence is starting us in the face.

Thanks for daring to state this unpopular opinion. I completely agree that humans have a very poor (and hence inflated) idea of what they are good at, because they have only had animals and (recently) machines to compare themselves to, plus these opinions formed long ago are a very firmly held cultural memory (e.g. literary and movie tropes, religion). Creativity being IMO one of the most badly misclaimed abilities.

Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by bryanrasmussen on Thursday June 29, 2023 @09:18AM (#36519967)
>The evidence is starting us in the face.

It sure is!

Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by mensetmanusman on Thursday June 29, 2023 @09:29AM (#36520084)
8000 token essays are, but beyond that it can't keep coherence.
Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by taylodl on Thursday June 29, 2023 @10:18AM (#36520683)
The AI produced content I've seen writes like a competent 5th grader. National Geographic wasn't being written by competent 5th graders.

I do think people are going to get tired of AI-produced this and AI-produced that - they're going to crave content created by humans. At least for some things. There may be a place for AI-created content that we love. That is this whole thing might be a false dilemma, it's not AI or human created content, it's AI and human created content. We'll find out which is better at what.

Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by ryandrake on Thursday June 29, 2023 @11:30AM (#36521781)
> The AI produced content I've seen writes like a competent 5th grader. National Geographic wasn't being written by competent 5th graders.

Well, over half of Americans read below a 6th grade reading level[1], so it seems like AI content is satisfactory, given the median reading skills.

1: https://www.apmresearchlab.org/10x-adult-literacy

Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by Incipient on Thursday June 29, 2023 @11:34AM (#36521865)
That's not a positive point for llms. That's just a horrific indictment on how badly the US education has failed.

Past tense. It has failed. It's not failing.

Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by nitpicker9 on Thursday June 29, 2023 @12:06PM (#36522333)
Present Perfect:/
Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by Incipient on Saturday July 01, 2023 @05:27AM (#36548319)
Haha very true. Nicely done =P
Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by wasimanitoba on Friday June 30, 2023 @03:33AM (#36531681)
National Geographic's audience might not tend toward the lowest denominator.

There's a good chance that people who read that magazine have a higher average reading level.

Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by berniedurfee on Thursday June 29, 2023 @06:32PM (#36527741)
I imagine, after some decades living neck deep in a cesspool of AI generated content, there will be a renaissance of sorts where human produced content will suddenly break through the noise to resonate with some innately human trait that AI can’t figure out.
Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by thesnide on Friday June 30, 2023 @03:04PM (#36540459)
I imaging that in a not-so-distant future we'll have some "Genuine Human Generated Certification"

It has happened the same way in every areas where you have rampant counterfeit or simply cheaper competition.

As even if LLM can generate greate quality content, it will always be even cheaper to mass produce low quality. And once you cross the Rubicon of not being certified, it is just a matter of time that capitalism/greed will make it a race to the bottom.

Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by ForOldHack on Friday June 30, 2023 @12:31PM (#36537944)
You are using an AI to write this? Or do a vast majority of actual humans rely on crappy writing? You do make a good point. I'll shove my next few wikipedia edits down an AIs gullet...

*This was written with an AI, and I told it to be spicy, salty and smarmy.

Re:National Geographic lays off its last remaining staff wri... by russian-troll on Friday June 30, 2023 @06:54PM (#36543634)
>In the long term it may compete with the best human writers. AIs lack connection with real world. This is important if we speak about NatGeo. >The evidence is starting us in the face. AIs generate average texts. It is admittedly cool. But I think it just shows how much human drivel is out there. Funny thing is that people optimized texts for search engines in attempts to hack ranking black boxes. Hence ML AI was the reason for bullshit for quite some time long before LLMs.