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Re:Canada plans brain drain of H-1B visa holders, with no-jo... by amrocha on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @03:01PM (#36510987)
Your numbers are way off

>30K on rent

Not unless you're living in luxury towers in rich areas. A 1 bedroom or a studio will rarely go above 2K, even in Vancouver or Toronto.

>2500 on food

If you're cooking, and not being frugal at all, you're spending 500 per month at most.

>gas

Canadian cities are walkable and have public transit, you don't need a car. If you do need a car where you live, then you're likely saving on rent.

>electrical

Electricity is dirt cheap in Canada. Never paid more than 60$ even in winter. Other utilities are similar to the US, that'll add up to 200-300 dollars.

>insurance

Not a thing. Welcome to modern society, baby.

I'm sure you can spend that much money if you want to, but that's a choice to live a certain lifestyle. This lifestyle is not necessary.

My first job in Canada I made 53K, 37K after taxes. I lived a normal life, studio downtown, going on vacations, drinking and eating out, and still managed to save 13000 dollars in a single year. Later I got a raises to 80K, 120K, and eventually 250K, but my (again, definitely not frugal!) lifestyle never cost me more than 25 - 30K per year.

Re:Canada plans brain drain of H-1B visa holders, with no-jo... by dleslie on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @03:07PM (#36511070)
> A 1 bedroom or a studio will rarely go above 2K, even in Vancouver or Toronto.

Average price of an unfurnished 1 bedroom in Vancouver is well over 2k now.[0]

> If you're cooking, and not being frugal at all, you're spending 500 per month at most.

I said food, gas, utilities, electrical, and all the other sundries required of living in Vancouver. And 500 CAD on food was achievable pre-pandemic, but inflation hit grocery bills the hardest.

I paid for renter's insurance, and extended medical while living in Vancouver. It was worth it, because my storage locker was busted into several times by junkies and we had things stolen that we later replaced. And, if you bike you are potentially liable in accidents. Getting insurance if you commute by bicycle is sensible.

> Canadian cities are walkable and have public transit, you don't need a car.

Taking Translink will still run hundreds of dollars a month.[1]

0: https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/local-news/vancouver-rent...

1: https://www.translink.ca/transit-fares/pricing-and-fare-zone...

Re:Canada plans brain drain of H-1B visa holders, with no-jo... by amrocha on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @03:21PM (#36511273)
Average price includes luxury places. Spend a couple weeks searching and you won't pay the average.

Inflation, sure, it's still not gonna be more than 700$. My 500$ figure is literally from 2022.

Rent insurance is 30$ per month, anything else is optional and your choice and also not that expensive. That does not add up to 2500 per month.

And yeah, I know transit costs money, just get a pass. Work pays for it, and if they don't you can deduct it from your taxes.

Re:Canada plans brain drain of H-1B visa holders, with no-jo... by dleslie on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @03:35PM (#36511480)
There isn't enough luxury stock across the whole of Metro Vancouver to meaningfully inflate the mean above the median. Looking at New Westminster, the cheapest I see now are all private rooms in someone's suite. Most units are well above 2k.[0]

Utilities includes heat and hot water, electrical, home internet, cellular, gym memberships, and so on. I suppose if you never turn on the heater, don't have home internet, never hit the gym, don't make any calls, don't own a car, and only shit at work then you could save a bundle, here.

The transit tax credit was eliminated in 2017.[1]

0: https://rentals.ca/new-westminster?bbox=-123.08659,49.11473,...

1: https://turbotax.intuit.ca/tips/deducting-the-cost-of-your-p...

Re:Canada plans brain drain of H-1B visa holders, with no-jo... by amrocha on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @09:28PM (#36515182)
Are you actually from Vancouver? Nobody uses that site to look for a place, people use craigslist, and even then there's a bunch of sub 2K places. And heating is electric in 99% of Vancouver homes.

I had almost all those things you mention, internet and cell phone and gym membership, left the heater on 24/7 during winter, did plenty of shitting at home, and still never spent more than $1000 per month.

The only thing I didn't have is a car. A car is literally the worst financial decision you'll ever make. You're free to make it, but you can't come here and complain that cost of living is expensive.

Sucks about the transit tax credit though :/ I used to use that when my commute was by transit

Re:Canada plans brain drain of H-1B visa holders, with no-jo... by dleslie on Thursday June 29, 2023 @07:06AM (#36518875)
I lived in New Westminster for 20y, and left in 2021.

Free heat and hot water is standard in older buildings with central boilers and radiated heating. Otherwise, you're taking on the utilities payment. If there's a separate service or dedicated service, then there's a bill.

If you don't have a car you're still renting a ride share to go hiking or skiing. Transit isn't taking you to Golden Ears or Cypress.

Re:Canada plans brain drain of H-1B visa holders, with no-jo... by amrocha on Thursday June 29, 2023 @09:11AM (#36519889)
Makes sense, you haven't had to look for a place in 20 years. Yes, you have to pay for it, it doesn't matter, electricity is cheap.

And clearly you've never rented a car with your mates or taken one of the shuttle buses to the mountains.

Re:Canada plans brain drain of H-1B visa holders, with no-jo... by dleslie on Thursday June 29, 2023 @12:55PM (#36523188)
What makes you think I didn't move during those 20y? I certainly did, I just stayed in New West.

Renting a car and taking shuttle buses isn't free.

Re:Canada plans brain drain of H-1B visa holders, with no-jo... by amrocha on Thursday June 29, 2023 @08:33PM (#36528878)
Nobody says it's free, why are you moving the goalposts?
Re:Canada plans brain drain of H-1B visa holders, with no-jo... by dleslie on Friday June 30, 2023 @02:40PM (#36540089)
No goalposts moved. It's the little things we take for granted that add up.

The total cost of living isn't just room and board, it's the expenditures one makes to be happy living and working where they are.

Re:Canada plans brain drain of H-1B visa holders, with no-jo... by aprdm on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @10:09PM (#36515489)
Lol you can easily 1bdr around 1500-1700 in grand Vancouver area by skytrain
Re:Canada plans brain drain of H-1B visa holders, with no-jo... by version_five on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @06:29PM (#36513524)
Most of this is either a very atypical experience or just made up. And obviously is from the perspective of a kid on his own for the first time. Being able to spend most of your money on renting a bachelor apartment and not afford a car doesn't sound too appealing for most adults.
Re:Canada plans brain drain of H-1B visa holders, with no-jo... by amrocha on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @09:32PM (#36515211)
It's literally my own experience, and most of my friends who live by themselves have said similar things.

Most people my age don't want a car, we want to live in the city center. People that live with their parents have a car usually, but that's it. It's not a big deal. I get that it can be hard to understand if you've lived in awful car dependent cities your whole life though.