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Re:How Plastics Are Poisoning Us by cynicalsecurity on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @08:58AM (#36505753)
You alone won't make a change. There are billions of people who disregard what you are trying to do. They don't even have the slightest idea why they need to do all of that at all. Moreover, they'll laugh or get angry if you'll tell them.

Russian attack on Ukraine alone produced so much environmental impact it made the effort of your whole righteous life useless. Hell, if made the effort of millions of people like you useless, and it's still going.

You need to stop Russians from waging wars, to convince China from senselessly expanding their industry and to convince the third world from developing. That is what you need to work on instead of sleeping 8 hours and carrying a water bottle.

1) Create an authoritarian environmentalist religion and become its absolute leader. Gain absolute power over the minds of billions of people.

2) Create a single world Illuminati-like government and re-organise the whole world order, trade and civilisation.

3) Make the West so powerful it will finally destroy and conquer both Russia and China and dictate the third world how to live.

You don't like this solution? Well, then the planet is doomed.

Re:How Plastics Are Poisoning Us by grimgoldgo on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @09:45AM (#36506378)
Incredible, "do fascism" is your only solution?
Re:How Plastics Are Poisoning Us by idopmstuff on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @10:09AM (#36506741)
Username checks out, at least.
Re:How Plastics Are Poisoning Us by cynicalsecurity on Thursday June 29, 2023 @05:10AM (#36518117)
If you've read Dune, you would get it.

I welcome you to propose a better solution than eco-fascism. I would be genuinely interested in hearing any other suggestions that could work.

Just saying "Let's all stop being nasty and live in peace" doesn't work, unfortunately.

Re:How Plastics Are Poisoning Us by grimgoldgo on Thursday June 29, 2023 @04:03PM (#36525942)
Oh I get it, I just think it's naive. I've read dune several times over the past 40 years, and the person I was in my youth would have agreed with you.

These days, not so much. I believe in building communities via mutual aid and support, and that if people have their basic needs meet they will produce incredible results. People want to do good, but are often too tired or too afraid or too burnt out to do it.

Re:How Plastics Are Poisoning Us by monktastic1 on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @10:22AM (#36506934)
There are two possibilities for each human to try:

1. Pour all your effort into becoming a kinder, wiser human, and watch as it rubs off on the people around you in surprising and far-ranging ways, amplifying itself into the world through "network effects."

2. Become cynical and bitter, and watch the opposite happen.

In either case, the world will present you with all the evidence you need that your way is the one true way and that everyone who sees it differently is clueless (though in the first case, probably not with so much disdain and contempt...).

Re:How Plastics Are Poisoning Us by wahnfrieden on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @10:49AM (#36507276)
Insurrection or revolution doesn’t fit either of those options you gave
Re:How Plastics Are Poisoning Us by monktastic1 on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @11:15AM (#36507692)
You can insurrect or revolt from either of those two conditions. My experience (not with country-scale insurrection, of course...) is that the results will be drastically different. These aren't things you do instead of acting, but attitudes and habits you develop through all action.
Re:How Plastics Are Poisoning Us by wahnfrieden on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @02:58PM (#36510942)
Usually people make your point to criticize any social/worker movement that "divides" people or is "anti" something
Re:How Plastics Are Poisoning Us by MSFT_Edging on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @10:47AM (#36507255)
> China from senselessly expanding their industry and to convince the third world from developing

This is such a insane way to look at it.

The constant fight for increased profit has offshored manufacturing and created a market for constant crap to buy. China isn't expanding industry in a vacuum, to suggest degrowth should only be for the third world, that historically was exploited for the growth of the first world, is honestly a crazy stance.

I like to tell people that eco-fascists are easy to spot, when someone says "we need less people", ask them who goes first.

The west has driven us to this current state for the sake of profit. We ship plastic bullshit across the oceans burning bunker fuel to shave 6 cents a unit off the margin.

The west has built a society so alienated and so dependent on endless, unsustainable growth. The perfect consumer is entirely dependent on capital for their every need. Yet you point out the issue is the third world looking for some dignity after a century of hyper extraction capital.

I saw a silly tweet today, it went "In a way, we're all in a rich dude's poorly designed submersible".

We're all dying for those bastards RPG min/maxing. The real path is anti-profit, durable long lasting items, and interconnected local economies.

Re:How Plastics Are Poisoning Us by everybodyknows on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @10:56AM (#36507388)
> 3) Make the West so powerful it will finally destroy and conquer both Russia and China and dictate the third world how to live.

Minor snag in your plan: "The West" cannot itself figure out itself "how to live". Witness Jan 6, 2020. And growing strength of Germany's AfD: https://www.dw.com/en/germany-far-right-afd-expands-politica...