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Re:The hidden cost of air quality monitoring by alach11 on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @11:01PM (#36501743)
> Small engine-based tools are a surprisingly large source of carbon emissions and air pollution... just one hour of gas leaf blower use is the equivalent of driving 1,100 miles

Perhaps this is true for certain types of air pollution, but there's no way it's true for carbon emissions. CO2 emitted has to be proportional to gasoline burned. And there's no way a leaf blower is consuming 25 gallons of gas per hour.

Re:The hidden cost of air quality monitoring by bronco21016 on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @11:08PM (#36501786)
I’m not an expert in the chemistry at all but how does the 2-cycle oil added to the fuel contribute to carbon density of the fuel?
Re:The hidden cost of air quality monitoring by margalabargala on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @12:46AM (#36502426)
It's denser than octane but doesn't meaningfully close the gap.

To drive 1100 miles, the commenter above gave an extremely generous 25 gallons of gas (likely closer to 40 for a non-Prius).

One gallon of gas produces about 20 pounds of CO2, which is about 73% oxygen (from the atmosphere) by weight. The remaining 27% of the weight comes from carbon.

So, one gallon of gasoline provides 20*0.27=5.4lbs of carbon to the CO2 produced. Multiply by 25, and you're looking at over 135lbs of carbon alone coming from your source when 25 gallons of gas are burned.

Considering that the amount of weight carried around by the user of a leaf blower is on the low tens of pounds, and not hundreds, it seems ludicrous to presume that a leaf blower produces anywhere near the amount of CO2 in an hour as does a car driving 1100 miles.

Re:The hidden cost of air quality monitoring by Earw0rm on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @02:05AM (#36502873)
It doesn't. This is about particulate pollution and other directly toxic nasties, not CO2 or climate.
Re:The hidden cost of air quality monitoring by Gordonjcp on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @03:41AM (#36503537)
It basically doesn't.

Even without the oil - 2-stroke engines will run on straight petrol, albeit briefly - they still emit an obscene amount of unburnt fuel.

Re:The hidden cost of air quality monitoring by gwill on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @11:14PM (#36501820)
I found a 2001 study that says 1 hour of lawn mowing is equivalent to 100 miles. either a mistype, wicked game of telephone or nefarious act has taken place. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/05/010529234907.h...
Re:The hidden cost of air quality monitoring by cma on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @12:15AM (#36502215)
No catalytic converter and it makes sense. It is talking about traditional pollution and not CO2.
Re:The hidden cost of air quality monitoring by exhilaration on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @12:50AM (#36502451)
Re:The hidden cost of air quality monitoring by joelcollinsdc on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @11:26PM (#36501893)
Yeah I am assuming that they are talking about the pollutants that are normally burned up in a catalytic converter. Still confusingly worded.
Re:The hidden cost of air quality monitoring by ammar2 on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @11:49PM (#36502049)
The source might be "A REPORT TO THE CALIFORNIA LEGISLATURE ON THE POTENTIAL HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS OF LEAF BLOWERS" found here: https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/sites/default/files/2018-11/Health%20...

This is the table in the source:

  +--------------------+-------------------+-------------+---------------+
  |                    | Exhaust Emissions | New vehicle | Older vehicle |
  +--------------------+-------------------+-------------+---------------+
  | Hydrocarbons       | 199.26            | 0.39        | 201.9         |
  | Carbon Monoxide    | 423.53            | 15.97       | 1310          |
  | Particulate Matter | 6.43              | 0.13        | 0.78          |
  | Fugitive Dust      | 48.6-1031         | N/A         | N/A           |
  +--------------------+-------------------+-------------+---------------+
and the accompanying text:

> Another way to visualize the data is to compare emissions for a given amount of leaf blower operation to miles traveled by car. The Air Resources Board regularly publishes such emissions benchmarks. Thus, for the average 1999 leaf blower and car data presented in Table 9, we calculate that hydrocarbon emissions from one-half hour of leaf blower operation equal about 7,700 miles of driving, at 30 miles per hour average speed. The carbon monoxide emission benchmark is signficantly different. For carbon monoxide, one-half hour of leaf blower useage would be equivalent to about 440 miles of automobile travel at 30 miles per hour average speed.

Re:The hidden cost of air quality monitoring by aidenn0 on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @11:58PM (#36502099)
For those not reading closely note that Hydrocarbons != Carbon. A New vehicle will burn fairly completely (if you include the cat as part of the process), leaving a miniscule amount of hydrocarbons (incompletely burned fuel) and a small amount of CO. The catalytic converter will oxidize hydrocarbons, CO and NO2 leaving almost entirely N2 CO2 and H2O (and in fuels with significant sulfer, hydrogen sulfide which has its own issues).
Re:The hidden cost of air quality monitoring by Gordonjcp on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @03:40AM (#36503530)
> New vehicle will burn fairly completely (if you include the cat as part of the process), leaving a miniscule amount of hydrocarbons (incompletely burned fuel) and a small amount of CO

So will old ones, if you run them on the right fuel.

My 25-year-old Range Rover has a 4.6 litre engine adapted to run on propane which is - under the right circumstances - a *negative* emission vehicle. It can have measurably less CO and HC in the exhaust than in the intake air (city air heavily contaminated with CO and HC for example from bus engines).

Re:The hidden cost of air quality monitoring by enragedcacti on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @10:54AM (#36507346)
I've found in general people and even regulatory agencies play fast and loose with comparing GHGs and pollutants. In this case, including CO in "carbon emissions" makes the statement technically true but pretty misleading since most people see "carbon emissions" as an equivalent or shorthand to "GHG ermissions"