Re:It's weird that people get mocked for changing their minds
by dahart on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @10:12PM
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Okay I am sorry if I misinterpreted, and I’m willing to change my mind. I’ve re-read your comment several times, and I don’t get a different impression this time than I did earlier. You appear to be primarily defending the okayness of your holding discriminatory religious views against LGBT people. Even the line “People who identify as LGBT can be very pleasant people” comes off to me TBH as though you’re suggesting that LGBT people aren’t pleasant by default, or that their pleasantness might somehow be categorically different from anyone else.
> And of course, my religious views don't mean I can go and harass people who disagree with me or anything. But it also doesn't mean I have to go praising them for doing something I don't agree with.
This still sounds like a straw man to me. Again, apologies if I’m misreading you, but you didn’t respond directly to my comment to you that LGBT people aren’t asking for praise by and large, they’re asking for civil rights. Your comment that you don’t need to praise them seems like a straw man because they’re not generally asking for or expecting praise, as a group.
Perhaps to be fair to you, in a way, I don’t personally see how people telling people stories that LGBT people are wrong can avoid leading to harassment. I don’t think it’s possible to take part in that narrative and not produce behavior that comes off to LGBT people as systemic oppression. So yes, if you intended a message of peace and inclusion, I have indeed missed it upon re-read.
> And of course, my religious views don't mean I can go and harass people who disagree with me or anything. But it also doesn't mean I have to go praising them for doing something I don't agree with.
This still sounds like a straw man to me. Again, apologies if I’m misreading you, but you didn’t respond directly to my comment to you that LGBT people aren’t asking for praise by and large, they’re asking for civil rights. Your comment that you don’t need to praise them seems like a straw man because they’re not generally asking for or expecting praise, as a group.
Perhaps to be fair to you, in a way, I don’t personally see how people telling people stories that LGBT people are wrong can avoid leading to harassment. I don’t think it’s possible to take part in that narrative and not produce behavior that comes off to LGBT people as systemic oppression. So yes, if you intended a message of peace and inclusion, I have indeed missed it upon re-read.