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Re:The Deep Sea by jb1991 on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @08:06AM (#36491686)
> I can't even imagine where you would find an institution willing to let its employees take such risks today.

Uhm, OceansGate?

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Re:The Deep Sea by p-e-w on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @08:16AM (#36491771)
I very strongly doubt that they would have continued a dive with a cracked window. Their risk was abstract, and caused by ignorance.

The crew of the Trieste continued to descend knowing full well that their vessel was damaged.

That's not the same thing in my mind.

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Re:The Deep Sea by jb1991 on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @08:35AM (#36491896)
> Their risk was abstract, and caused by ignorance.

There was nothing abstract whatsoever about the lack of adequate preparation and responsibility taken: they did not certify, and they used components that were not rated for the depths of their dives, among many other things. This was not ignorance. This was boldly deciding not to care about safety. They ignored very vocal and direct outspoken concerns from all their peers in the industry for years, specific concerns about what they were doing that was not safe, and they ignored that too. Not abstract.

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Re:The Deep Sea by kdmccormick on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @12:06PM (#36494761)
Stockton assured passengers that it was totally safe. Either he was lying, or he deluded himself enough that he found the risk to be abstract.

A reckless teenager driving at 120mph on the highway with no seatbelt is obviously in serious danger, but to their young, impulsive mind the danger may feel completely abstract.

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Re:The Deep Sea by edizms on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @10:09PM (#36501461)
Danger is relative, that's normal in Germany.
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Re:The Deep Sea by Hamuko on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @08:32AM (#36491860)
They dove the Titan to the Titanic for 10+ times with a viewport that was rated for 1300-metre depth when the Titanic is at 4000 metres.

I feel like OceanGate did not really pay that much attention to window safety.

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Re:The Deep Sea by tjpnz on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @08:33AM (#36491876)
Not just window safety. The CEO effectively said he didn't care for safety in general.
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Re:The Deep Sea by edizms on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @10:11PM (#36501468)
I believe this to be the elephant in the room, I wouldn't be surprised if the viewport gave way before the hull.
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Re:The Deep Sea by cs02rm0 on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @08:47AM (#36492003)
They listened to the carbon fibre cracking, sometimes very loudly.
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Re:The Deep Sea by klysm on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @08:08AM (#36491699)
That seems to be driven more by naivety than anything else
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Re:The Deep Sea by AlecSchueler on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @08:13AM (#36491736)
If they survive it's bravery, if they die is naïvity.
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Re:The Deep Sea by runesofdoom on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @09:59AM (#36492873)
Maxim 43: "If it's stupid and it works, it's still stupid and you're lucky."[1]

[1]From Schlock Mercenary's "Seventy Maxims of Maximially Effective Mercenaries".

https://www.ovalkwiki.com/index.php/The_Seventy_Maxims_of_Ma...

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Re:The Deep Sea by jb1991 on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @08:16AM (#36491772)
No, it wasn't naivety.
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