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Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by xdennis on Sunday June 25, 2023 @04:23PM (#36472223)
> Since the late-1970s, research has shown that infant boys are more sensitive.

The linked study, "The fragile male":

> The human male is, on most measures, more vulnerable than the female.

This sounds to me like the same studies which said that smoking leads to healthier pregnancies. It contradicts even the most basic of common sense and cherry picks what it needs to arrive at the conclusion rather than analyzing things objectively.

It reminds me of "Women considered better coders" articles of yesteryear.

Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by leodler on Sunday June 25, 2023 @04:37PM (#36472346)
It's unfortunate that you're (willfully?) uninformed to such a degree that you perceive these passages as slighting your identity or something, but what they're saying isn't controversial scientifically.
Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by xdennis on Sunday June 25, 2023 @04:45PM (#36472409)
> slighting your identity

I'm not a strong male, so it's not slighting anything.

But I don't like it when basic truths are denied. If you look at Ukraine, pretty much all of the assault forces are made of men, the sex this paper considers fragile and vulnerable.

Societies which publish such papers are lucky they are not under attack because they wouldn't last long if they put in front the sex THEY consider stronger.

Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by hparadiz on Sunday June 25, 2023 @05:05PM (#36472583)
The assault forces aren't men because they are "stronger" but because society shames men for not fighting. I've had frank discussions with women on this topic and it always comes down to "fuck that I don't want equal rights. I don't want to be drafted in a war" - direct quote from a ex. The shame that comes down on men from women during wartime is intense.

See the White Feather movement in the UK during WW1.

To be fair I've seen quite a few women fight in Ukraine but they are outnumbered by men something like 1:100. Even in Israel where women are drafted and have compulsory service they still are shielded from the real meat grinder operations.

Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by fullspectrumdev on Sunday June 25, 2023 @05:08PM (#36472615)
The “assault forces” are male because of rather outmoded rules, the military is a slow beast to change even when getting invaded
Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by hparadiz on Sunday June 25, 2023 @05:17PM (#36472673)
Comes down to biology really. 1 guy can get 100 women pregnant. 100 men and 1 women? Your population dies out in two generations.

When an artificial womb is invented that can allow a baby to grow to term the dynamic will be forever changed.

Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by GenericPoster on Sunday June 25, 2023 @09:13PM (#36474507)
>When an artificial womb is invented that can allow a baby to grow to term the dynamic will be forever changed. Can you elaborate on this and what impact this artificial womb will have?
Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by NoZebra120vClip on Sunday June 25, 2023 @05:28PM (#36472768)
I'm not sure what you consider as outmoded, but considering the biology of men and women, it makes perfect sense to send the men off to sacrifice in war while women stay home.

Women can bear children: this is a valuable advantage on the homefront and a huge liability on the front lines. Women get raped in wars, there's no getting around it. Women can stay home to bear children and care for the small ones and foster hope for the future.

While it is plain that fathers are good for children and having them around is a benefit, if a man must go to war, then it is better than a woman going to war. A man can procreate a child with his wife before shipping out. A man is unlikely to be raped or bear children when captured on the front lines. A society that has lost a significant portion of its fighting-age men is more likely to recover than one which has lost many child-bearing women, or both.

Furthermore, if you want to build a cohesive fighting unit (or a department in business or education or industry or whatever), you build it entirely of one sex. It is more efficient that way (no expenses on women's bathrooms or other facilities) and there is less conflict and drama (troops gonna have sex and women gonna get pregnant, and then they're both sent home?)

These are inherent biological factors and they have nothing to do with human rules, they are God-given and unchanging. These factors have been true for millions of years, and they are the basis for human rules on why men fight and women stay home.

Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by KptMarchewa on Sunday June 25, 2023 @07:16PM (#36473652)
>Women get raped in wars, there's no getting around it.

If you think men aren't, or even worse, you haven't been following what russians do a lot.

Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by NoZebra120vClip on Sunday June 25, 2023 @07:36PM (#36473799)
I'm aware of that, and whether or not men get raped is immaterial to my point, which revolves around pregnancy and childbirth.
Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by corinroyal on Sunday June 25, 2023 @05:45PM (#36472932)
The wrong here, it burns! Feminists fight to integrate the military (while developing an critique of militarism), powerful traditionalist men fight to keep them out. Feminists are winning and now the US military is ~18% women and growing. In sexist Ukraine and Russia, the percentages are much lower. So tell me again how women are too weak for combat?

It's not feminists calling for powerful men to send disposable poor men into the grinder. It's not feminists calling for men to "man up" and pretend they don't have emotional needs or fears. That's all on traditionalist men. Sexist men don't get to both enforce such traditional roles while decrying them as unjust.

Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by rosmax_1337 on Sunday June 25, 2023 @04:51PM (#36472463)
What are those passages saying, scientifically?
Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by Vt71fcAqt7 on Sunday June 25, 2023 @05:59PM (#36473051)
The quoted paper in the article is from a psychiatrist with a PhD in philosophy debating to himslef whether "maleness is a genetic disorder." He spends the whole article talking about how boys get sick more often than girls, which is only true until puberty at which point the opposite is true. He then shifts to life expectancy and suicide. So if we define being "fragile" as "shorter life excpectany" then "the human male is, on most measures, more vulnerable than the female," as he says. By all sensible messures, however, the claim is otherwise false. For example, "the prevalence of major depressive episode was higher among adult females (10.5%) compared to males (6.2%)"[0]. Of course, males are also stronger than females.

[0]https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/major-depression

Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by KptMarchewa on Sunday June 25, 2023 @07:14PM (#36473636)
Diagnosed, estimated, and so on.
Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by Barrin92 on Sunday June 25, 2023 @04:45PM (#36472412)
>It contradicts even the most basic of common sense

It doesn't do that at all. The most obvious example of this is unemployment. When men lose jobs, they are at much higher risk to slide into social isolation, drug use and even suicide. Anti-social behavior among women in those situations is much less common.

Young men without perspective likewise are much more likely to turn towards extremism, violence and so on. Most 'incels' or shut-ins are men. Most violent criminals are men, most gang members are men.

Men, especially young men are much more vulnerable to exhibit maladjusted behaviors and that's both backed by common sense and data.

Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by xdennis on Sunday June 25, 2023 @04:49PM (#36472447)
> The most obvious example...

But that's exactly what I'm referring to. It cherry picks some examples to make men look "fragile", "sensitive", and "vulnerable".

But if you looked at these terms objectively, which sex is more so?

> Most violent criminals are men

You can't say that and still insist that men are weaker.

> Men, especially young men are much more vulnerable to exhibit maladjusted behaviors and that's both backed by common sense and data.

See how you're twisting the meaning of words to arrive at your conclusion?

Polar bears are more vulnerable to freezing to death than Arabian gazelles, therefore polar bears are "fragile", "sensitive", and "vulnerable" compared to gazelles.

Discussions are pointless when words have no meanings.

Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by ravenstine on Sunday June 25, 2023 @05:01PM (#36472551)
> But that's exactly what I'm referring to. It cherry picks some examples to make men look "fragile", "sensitive", and "vulnerable".

It also ignores that women, generally speaking, have greater support networks than men. Men in America have generally been expected to handle far more things on their own. Plenty of women I know in their 30s and beyond still ask things of their parents whilst I don't know of nearly as many guys in my cohort who rely on their parents in any way.

In a sense, this is all victim blaming. Majority of homeless people are men? I guess they should have been as strong as women! /s

Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by dang on Sunday June 25, 2023 @05:30PM (#36472783)
Could you please stop posting to HN in the flamewar style? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for, so we're trying for the opposite.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by Barrin92 on Sunday June 25, 2023 @05:10PM (#36472625)
The polar bear is more vulnerable and sensitive than the gazelle literally, that is why they're almost extinct. You seem to be confused about what people are talking about. Nobody is arguing whether polar bears or big hairy men are muscular and STRONG, we're talking about their resilience in the modern world and how well they have adapted. It is actually a good comparison but not in the way you thought it was.

There's nothing cherry picked about this, men do worse these days and are more vulnerable than women on a lot of very substantial metrics. It doesn't get more real and objective than looking at the rate of deaths of despair and the gender disparity there. I don't understand why you apparently perceive this as an attack om men.

This inability to acknowledge the vulnerability of men is, as the article points out as well, one of the reasons why there is comparatively little help for men.

Re:Ignoring Boys' Emotional Needs Fuels Public Health Risks by ravenstine on Sunday June 25, 2023 @04:58PM (#36472519)
It reminds me of when I was a 10 year old and all the times my younger sister annoyingly told me things like "I can beat you at [insert sport or game] but I don't in front of you because I don't wanna."

Like, yeah, maybe you could, but the evidence is lacking.