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Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by hkpack on Saturday June 24, 2023 @06:00PM (#36463039)
> It is crazy how people can even think of collaborating with them.

It is not crazy, if you take into account that the genocidal war is very popular among Russians, and the only complain they have is that it is not going according to their expectations. They blame the top military officials for that and think that wagner will be more efficient in killing Ukrainians.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by hurflmurfl on Saturday June 24, 2023 @06:14PM (#36463129)
Another option (which I'm partial to) is something like "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

Not everyone is on top of who's part of the mercenary company and some people could just see this as "a change", so they would offer some support.

Not making a statement of "how things really are" here, just saying that sometimes an explanation might be "jeez, finally there's some change, maybe something will happen out of this" and not "let me go support these genocidal mercenaries".

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by sidibe on Saturday June 24, 2023 @08:05PM (#36463890)
Yeah I agree. Prigozhin going after the war and saying it was always unjustified yesterday was an olive branch to at least a sizable minority of Russians who are not as GP says supporting a genocidal war.

He knows the regime is weak and pulled all the levers he could to make it look weaker and get himself more support. He's not tricking anyone, others know what he is but by suddenly speaking against the war he's signalled clearly they have the same immediate goals. I'd imagine that also went through some conscripted or otherwise unenthusiastic soldiers heads when they decided not to confront his mercenaries.

I think Putin expected Russian soldiers to resist when he gave a tough speech last night. They all watched except the air force.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by jjtheblunt on Saturday June 24, 2023 @06:36PM (#36463256)
What published (linkable) basis have you used for these claims?
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by ivan_gammel on Saturday June 24, 2023 @06:10PM (#36463111)
Well, the thing is people who supported this raid are not exactly the same as those who support the war. I would understand if they were the same.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by cinquemb on Saturday June 24, 2023 @08:55PM (#36464182)
Hardliners in Russia want Putin out and wished Russia had "went fallujah" on Ukraine... Russia still has that option...
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by jhartwig on Sunday June 25, 2023 @10:33AM (#36468548)
What does that even mean? They tried to go 'fallujah' on Kyiv, it failed miserably. Back during Fallujah, if the locals were loaded with Javelins, things might have turned out differently for them as well.