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Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by yieldcrv on Saturday June 24, 2023 @05:13PM (#36462705)
I read the defense minister resigned in a deal negotiated by Lukashenko, and charges dropped against Prigozhin

That’s an absolute win, for Prigozhin, since that was the original goal

this internal issue has nothing to do with anyone outside of that region

thats a pretty big shakeup. “I dont like this guy and there is no political process to remove him so I brought in my private army, the President fleed and he resigned in 10 hours”

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by idopmstuff on Saturday June 24, 2023 @05:19PM (#36462736)
Prigozhin was exiled to Belarus: https://www.businessinsider.com/wagner-leader-prigozhin-exil...

Seems like a terrible outcome for Putin. He looks really weak and presumably just lost most if not all of Wagner, who were his most effective troops. He might have Prigozhin poisoned, but that would probably cause further instability internally as it causes more of his leadership to realize he'll clearly betray anybody and his word isn't worth anything.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by TeMPOraL on Saturday June 24, 2023 @05:32PM (#36462839)
> and presumably just lost most if not all of Wagner

That remains to be seen? Might be that some of their warriors will take the offer to join the military, and others... might select (or be given) new leadership, and go back to Ukraine to resume their regular business there.

If this really was Prigozhin vs. MoD, then that particular issue might be a closed case. Mercenaries are what they are - they're loyal to themselves and money, not state policy. Prigozhin got them to march at Moscow, so they did; then got them to march back, safe and sound, so they did. Russian government can just say "okay, no shots fired, no hard feelings" and leave it at that; it's not like they trusted them in the first place.

Putin angle though, that's a new thing. One way of spinning today's events is that Prigozhin took a swing at the Tsar, missed, and still lived to talk about it. Leaving it at that is not safe for the Tsar.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by chasd00 on Saturday June 24, 2023 @07:31PM (#36463682)
> lived to talk about it

As of right this second. I hope his affairs are in order because the writing is on the wall.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by lrem on Sunday June 25, 2023 @01:34AM (#36465365)
But haven't shots been fired, soldiers and civilians killed?
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by toast0 on Sunday June 25, 2023 @03:06AM (#36465703)
When have facts gotten in the way of what the Russian government wants to say?
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by TeMPOraL on Sunday June 25, 2023 @05:25AM (#36466351)
Not as of yesterday evening, scoped to the verified BBC reporting.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by bart_spoon on Sunday June 25, 2023 @10:30AM (#36468515)
That’s not true. There’s been widespread reports that Wagner shot down multiple Russian aircraft resulting in the deaths of 15 Russian airmen.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by tuukkah on Saturday June 24, 2023 @05:32PM (#36462842)
I'm worried the deal may lead to Wagner taking control in Belarus.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by resolutebat on Saturday June 24, 2023 @06:14PM (#36463131)
Lukashenka is a wily operator and has ruled Belarus with an iron fist for 20 years. The offer is exile for Prigozhin personally, not an open invitation for everybody in Wagner to come to Belarus.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by tuukkah on Saturday June 24, 2023 @06:24PM (#36463187)
Really weird he would part with his troops.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by LgWoodenBadger on Saturday June 24, 2023 @08:23PM (#36464015)
His troops are the only life support Prigozhin has
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by vkou on Sunday June 25, 2023 @11:23PM (#36475386)
Which is why he'll fall out of a window this year.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by mint2 on Saturday June 24, 2023 @07:28PM (#36463656)
Wait and see where Wagner ends up in Belarus. Watch it be some convenient spot along Ukraine border.

I’m not saying that was the original plan, but even just moving 20K Wagner troop as part of the deal, even with no intention of attack, would draw a significant chunk of ukraines attention.

And if the Ukrainians don’t move additional defense, then an opportunistic attack might be on the table for some exchange that would be mutually beneficial to the Russian factions.

Let me be clear, this was not meant to be a grand ruse, but that doesn’t it can’t be turned in to one after the fact in order for the opposing Russian sides to salvage their situation.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by chasd00 on Saturday June 24, 2023 @07:30PM (#36463669)
His troops aren’t going with him to Belarus, they have to sign loyalty to the mod.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by speakfreely on Sunday June 25, 2023 @03:00PM (#36471479)
Only the ones who "didn't march" to Moscow, so roughly 20k are ineligible for these MoD contracts that are being forced on the rest of them. I would imagine those 20k are the more experienced, more loyal ones who are well paid and protected by Prigozhin.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by sidibe on Saturday June 24, 2023 @08:26PM (#36464035)
I don't think you can say what Prigozhin said yesterday about the war and then get people to participate in it under your command. He was pretty crystal clear that the war was an unjustified clusterfuck.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by wayeq on Saturday June 24, 2023 @09:26PM (#36464353)
Prigozhin just lost everything he had other than his life, and that remains to be seen. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/06/pu...
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by speakfreely on Sunday June 25, 2023 @03:04PM (#36471515)
Yeah, from the outside, this seems like a very poor outcome for Prigozhin. Regardless of what money or access or whatever was promised in return to standing down, he is effectively trapped in the non-Western economic block due to his actions in Ukraine. In this part of the world, anything you own is only as useful as your ability to prevent politically-connected people from taking it from you. I can't see how his position now could possibly be construed as more personally advantageous than 72 hours ago, but I'm sure there's much more happening behind the curtain than we will ever be aware of.