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Re:North Korean Market Prices Suggest Serious Food Shortages by balder1991 on Saturday June 24, 2023 @12:34PM (#36460148)
Also loosely related, the Homo Deus book has a chapter about humans conquered technically what it classifies as the major challenges that we attributed to gods, including hunger, plagues and war. It mentions that nowadays, if any of these things cause human destruction it is a political thing and someone somewhere wants that to happen.
Re:North Korean Market Prices Suggest Serious Food Shortages by onlyrealcuzzo on Saturday June 24, 2023 @12:44PM (#36460248)
Technologically, what do we have that stops famines from happening?

Like, are we really immune from some mega drought occuring somewhere that mostly depends on rainfall? Or is that just extremely unlikely to happen, especially at a large scale?

Re:North Korean Market Prices Suggest Serious Food Shortages by retrac on Saturday June 24, 2023 @01:26PM (#36460722)
We can move food around. Famines historically tended to be regional; bad climate, or natural or man-made disaster, devastating food production in an area. Before the 19th century moving enough food from another region, or even from another continent to address that local shortfall, was much more challenging.

If the 1930s American dustbowl had happened to a densely populated non-industrial society, it would probably have been one of the worst famines in history. Agricultural yields fell by like 50% for several years in the affected region. But they just brought in food from California and Saskatchewan. It was still a disaster, of course.

The Russian famine of 1921 was one of the first times industrial societies really mobilized in that way. At the peak grain grown in the USA and donated to the USSR was feeding about 1 in 10 Russians during the famine. One of the largest logistics operations in history up to that point. It's why Herbert Hoover was nominated for the Nobel peace prize five times.

Re:North Korean Market Prices Suggest Serious Food Shortages by cubefox on Saturday June 24, 2023 @01:10PM (#36460597)
There are theories which say that nuclear war, due to firestorms in cities transporting soot into the upper atmosphere, would lead to nuclear winter, which would lead to a global famine:

https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/pMsnCieusmYqGW26W/...

However, the papers which predict such scenarios have been criticized as being too pessimistic:

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/jnDibtfvWNHLucf4D/actually-a...

Re:North Korean Market Prices Suggest Serious Food Shortages by MattGaiser on Saturday June 24, 2023 @12:51PM (#36460336)
A lot of this probably depends on who "we" refers to. I would imagine that many regions are not immune to a mega drought.

For the West specifically, wealthier nations can kind of just export the shortage by paying more for supplies that would go elsewhere.

The West also feeds most of its crops to animals, so that is an area for relatively easy reduction in an emergency. 67% of what is grown in the USA is animal food. But that proportion is dramatically lower in places like India.

https://www.vox.com/2014/8/21/6053187/cropland-map-food-fuel...

Re:North Korean Market Prices Suggest Serious Food Shortages by thriftwy on Saturday June 24, 2023 @12:56PM (#36460404)
We can now buy grain in bulk and ship it anywhere through the world.
Re:North Korean Market Prices Suggest Serious Food Shortages by kickout on Saturday June 24, 2023 @12:51PM (#36460339)
No we are not immune. At all
Re:North Korean Market Prices Suggest Serious Food Shortages by nradov on Saturday June 24, 2023 @01:59PM (#36461029)
Famines are primarily a political problem, not a technological problem. Our technology has improved agricultural productivity and distribution efficiency, but that doesn't matter when men with guns are stealing food from starving people.
Re:North Korean Market Prices Suggest Serious Food Shortages by fragmede on Saturday June 24, 2023 @09:11PM (#36464271)
is it even that blatant? it's in shipping containers that aren't going to be released to the starving because of this simple concept known as paying for things.
Re:North Korean Market Prices Suggest Serious Food Shortages by nradov on Sunday June 25, 2023 @11:36AM (#36469316)
It often is that blatant. Even when international donors send free food it often ends up getting seized by government forces or militant groups.
Re:North Korean Market Prices Suggest Serious Food Shortages by satysin on Saturday June 24, 2023 @03:05PM (#36461720)
This was the first thing that popped into my head too as I read Homo Deus a few months ago.

A very accessible book for all. I recommend it. It’s not perfect but it’s a good, easy read compared to other books touching on the same subjects.