> Take any language which you agree is "OO". ...
A normal part of dialogue is answering the other person's questions. I asked the same question point blank several times, and you keep refusing to answer. Once you answer the question, then we can discuss your hypothetical scenarios about other languages. I believe I stated my question quite clearly.
> Why isn't the return value of that function an object?
> C in itself has no concept of an "object".
We already went over this.
I don't think your question necessarily has an answer, but if I have to pick, I'd say (3). F is a classless method; FILE and DIR are classes; as a classless method, F cannot belong to any class, so it can't belong to FILE or DIR.
If the function was F(FILE, const char*, DIR) then F might be a method of FILE instead, if the code base is following the "this is first argument" convention.
And why is that? Are objects and OOP not clearly defined? If you proclaim FILE and DIR to be classes, should it not be extremely clear what are their methods?
That's the problem right there, as I said it repeatedly. In C++, objects can be identified unambiguously.
Whereas in C, if you keep insisting it's OOP, the answer is whatever you want it to be. "FILE is an object, and I'll handwave away all inconvenient details that get in the way of my perception of FILE as an object". Sorry, I expect a higher level of rigour.
> F is a classless method
> FILE and DIR are classes
> If the function was F(FILE, const char, DIR) then F might be a method of FILE instead, if the code base is following the "this is first argument" convention.
The C standard library doesn't seem to follows such a convention. For example:
> fread(void , size_t, size_t, FILE );
> fgets(char, int, FILE );
> fseek(FILE , long int, int);
If FILE is a class, is fgets a method of this class? If fgets is a method of FILE, why is F in my example not a method of FILE too?
How about this syntax?
That's valid C, given appropriate preprocessor macro definitions. It is a bit ugly, due to the limitations of the C preprocessor. (Maybe someone else can do better than me.) If C had a more powerful preprocessor, but was otherwise unchanged, the syntax could be a lot nicer.The DEFINE_CLASS() macro expands to declare a function:
Why isn't the return value of that function an object?Here is the contents of "oo.h":
Where cloak.h is https://github.com/pfultz2/Cloak/blob/master/cloak.hThe above macros are admitttedly very hairy. If C had a better preprocessor, but was otherwise unchanged, they could look a lot nicer.
> I never said such a thing. Would appreciate if you didn't put words in my mouth.
A normal part of dialogue is, "I'm going to repeat your point back to you in my own words, and you can either agree with my restating of it, or point out at which point I've misunderstood you". That's what I was doing. "Would appreciate if you didn't put words in my mouth" is unnecessary hostility.
> In my concrete example, given that FILE and DIR were classified as objects, to which of the so-called objects does F(const char*, FILE, DIR) belong?
Take any language which you agree is "OO". Add one new feature (if it isn't already there): functions/methods which don't belong to any class/object. Now the function you are talking about is possible in that language. Did the language thereby suddenly cease to be OO when we added that feature? Most people would disagree with "Yes". But if "No", what is the actual difference between C and that language?