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Re:Using GPT-4 to measure the passage of time in fiction by mo_42 on Friday June 23, 2023 @09:32AM (#36446608)
In ML 101, I learned that NN are general function approximators.

So given the right training data and algorithm, they should be able to learn to add numbers. Or any other computable function.

Also, we don’t know how GPT computes numbers really. I guess no one traced all the layers and understood the activations.

We also don’t do this with our children. We just assume that they understand it as soon as they don’t make many mistakes anymore.

Re:Using GPT-4 to measure the passage of time in fiction by withinboredom on Friday June 23, 2023 @09:41AM (#36446717)
It depends on the activation functions. Some may never be able to compute addition.
Re:Using GPT-4 to measure the passage of time in fiction by simiones on Friday June 23, 2023 @10:41AM (#36447444)
I don't know why this mistake gets repeated, but NNs are universal continous function approximators. They can't approximate non-continuous functions in general, and there are plenty of non-continuous computable functions.

Also, this theorem is almost useless in practice: it only tells you that, for any function and desired error rate, there exists some NN which would approximate that function within that error rate. But there is no proof that there is some way to train the weights for that NN based on any known training mechanism, even if we magically knew the shape of that NN (which we don't). Obviously, since we don't know if an algorithm to train the NN even exists, we have even less idea of how long it might take, or how large the training set would have to be.

So this theorem doesn't really help in any way answer whether our current AI techniques (of which training is a fundamental component) could be used to approximate human reason.

Re:Using GPT-4 to measure the passage of time in fiction by robert_no_robot on Friday June 23, 2023 @12:05PM (#36448782)
> They can't approximate non-continuous functions in general, and there are plenty of non-continuous computable functions.

For a given error I guess. So it's a discussion about how good we can approximate such a function.

Re:Using GPT-4 to measure the passage of time in fiction by tsimionescu on Friday June 23, 2023 @01:10PM (#36449637)
If we don't care about any bound on the error, any function can be said to approximate any other function.