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Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible by olalonde on Thursday June 22, 2023 @05:14PM (#36439105)
The "obscenely safe" remark was directed at "regulated" vessels, not at his own sub. He was acknowledging that he was taking risks by not conforming to regulations.
Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible by stef25 on Thursday June 22, 2023 @05:19PM (#36439167)
Thanks, my bad.
Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible by windexh8er on Thursday June 22, 2023 @08:20PM (#36441085)
From what I understand he was also complaining about those regulations holding back the private industry and also it's been stated as of late that he's on record saying how he's broken rules. That among allegations of a safety director being fired in 2015 for pointing out design safety oversights. [0]

I don't think it's great to make this guy into a folk hero just because he was pushing the limits. Imagine, for a second, how this would be reacted to in the aviation space.

If the CEO cut corners then that should be his legacy. Great people can be flawed. Flaws can be fatal. It's just a shame if those flaws weren't properly portrayed to those who dove with him.

[0] https://fortune.com/2023/06/21/titan-titanic-missing-sub-dav...

Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible by colechristensen on Thursday June 22, 2023 @08:41PM (#36441244)
It’s ok and even a good thing to cut corners and take a “ask forgiveness not permission” attitude when the results of failure are inconvenience and annoyance. Pushing through layers of accumulated red tape does indeed help when you’re making a taxi service or delivering food or making a social app.

Not so much when you’re building life-critical systems or those where there are real big serious problems when they go down or fail.

Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible by 8note on Thursday June 22, 2023 @08:57PM (#36441352)
Things can go bad quickly with taxi and food delivery too. The difference is that those come with built in fall guys
Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible by kragen on Thursday June 22, 2023 @09:18PM (#36441571)
making people into folk heros just because they were pushing the limits is how we got aviation in the first place, and a lot of dead aviators

https://www.planecrashinfo.com/famous1910s.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Aviators_killed_in_av...

progress in both aviation and undersea exploration stopped about 50 years ago when we stopped doing that

Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible by windexh8er on Thursday June 22, 2023 @10:04PM (#36441946)
Oh I'm all about innovation. Just don't pretend to be innovating when you're charging people $250k for a trip in your experimental vehicle that is thinly veiled with the marketing gimick of "tourism". I believe you're conflating individual risk takers with the new age charlatans looking at this through the lens of profit first, innovation second.

The links you provide show a stark difference in end game from then and now. None of them killed tourists in the name of pushing the limits. That and those risk takers in aviation didn't blindly disregard highly researched and engineered vehicle designs, and oh by the way, publicly state that your design was ultimately against what other experts in the industry have shown to be non-viable with our current build process and manufacturing capabilities using those materials. And to top it off using control mechanisms not even remotely designed for the use case of a real time system that could cause a grave outcome of life. One that you can buy at Walmart to play a video game.

In my mind comparing this situation with those innovators is unfortunate.