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Re:People paid to train AI are outsourcing their work to AI by foxbyte on Thursday June 22, 2023 @04:43PM (#36438674)
I can understand your frustration with the article, but let's approach it with an open mind. While the use of a "chatgpt detector" may have its limitations, it's essential to appreciate the researchers' effort in exploring new methods. The study may not be perfect, but it contributes to the ongoing conversation about the risks of using AI in AI training. Irony aside, let's keep the discussion going and encourage further research to improve our understanding of this complex field.
Re:People paid to train AI are outsourcing their work to AI by AndriyKunitsyn on Thursday June 22, 2023 @04:52PM (#36438798)
So polite it hurts. I wonder if in the future people on the internet will leave deliberately offensive posts to show that they are human.
Re:People paid to train AI are outsourcing their work to AI by TeMPOraL on Thursday June 22, 2023 @05:04PM (#36438990)
It's crazy, isn't it?

I don't know what feels worse for me - that whenever I read a mannered, well-structured and somewhat verbose comment, I now suspect it wasn't authored by a human - or that, as I quickly realized, my own writing style feels eerily similar to ChatGPT output.

Re:People paid to train AI are outsourcing their work to AI by salt4034 on Thursday June 22, 2023 @06:10PM (#36439807)
If it helps, your response here doesn't feel similar to ChatGPT output.
Re:People paid to train AI are outsourcing their work to AI by TeMPOraL on Thursday June 22, 2023 @06:20PM (#36439939)
Thanks. I've already noticed that I've started to unconsciously adjust my writing style to avoid that feeling of similarity to ChatGPT.

That said, compared to typical comments on-line (even on this site), using paragraphs, proper capitalization, correct punctuation, and avoiding typos already gets you more than half of the way to writing like ChatGPT...

Re:People paid to train AI are outsourcing their work to AI by mvdtnz on Thursday June 22, 2023 @05:47PM (#36439531)
@dang are we ever going to do anything about this? You almost can't read a comment section in a thread about AI without this crap now.
Re:People paid to train AI are outsourcing their work to AI by parl_match on Thursday June 22, 2023 @06:17PM (#36439912)
While the decision to ban the use of ChatGPT or any AI technology for writing responses is subjective, there are several reasons why it's beneficial to embrace its usage:

    Efficiency and productivity: ChatGPT significantly enhances efficiency by providing prompt and automated responses. It can handle a large volume of inquiries simultaneously, saving time and enabling more productive interactions.

    Accessibility and inclusivity: By utilizing ChatGPT, we ensure accessibility to information and support for a wider audience. People from different regions, languages, and backgrounds can engage in conversations and receive assistance regardless of their limitations.

    Knowledge expansion: ChatGPT is trained on vast amounts of data, allowing it to offer insights and information on various topics. This contributes to continuous learning and knowledge expansion, benefiting both users and society as a whole.

    Empowering human potential: Rather than replacing human capabilities, ChatGPT complements and amplifies them. It can serve as a tool for research, writing assistance, and creative brainstorming, augmenting human potential and fostering innovation.
Re:People paid to train AI are outsourcing their work to AI by sbierwagen on Thursday June 22, 2023 @07:01PM (#36440396)
I mean, what rule do you actually want here?

ChatGPT has been RLHFed into a pretty distinctive style, but there's no reason to think a better LLM wouldn't have a more natural style. If AGI is possible, then HN will end up with AI users who contribute on an equal basis to the modal HN user, and then shortly after that, more equal. Should all AI be banned? Should you have to present a birth certificate to create an account?

Re:People paid to train AI are outsourcing their work to AI by parl_match on Thursday June 22, 2023 @08:37PM (#36441211)
> Should you have to present a birth certificate to create an account?

I actually honestly believe that the era of "open registration" forums and discussion places is going to come to a close, largely due to GNN.

It's not going to become a problem until the hardware and walltime costs of training models and running them comes down. You'll know it's a problem when every 10th post on 4chan is a model pretending to be a human that is of a gentle but unyielding political persuasion of some sort.

I don't know what the end pattern will be, but it'll likely be a combination of things

- large platforms, like reddit or facebook, where individual communities "vibe check" posts out.

or

- some sort of barrier to entry, such as a small amount of money (the so called "idiot tax": if you're an idiot, you get banned, and you have to pay again)

- some sort of (manual!) positive reputation system for discussion boards, sort of like how peering works

- some sort of federation technology where you apply and subscribe to federation networks

I don't think we'll really be able to predict what the future looks like right now (it's not even widely recognized as a problem). And since this is HN, I'll add: I don't think there's any serious money to be made running reputation or IDV, unless you've already started. And if it becomes a serious enough problem, players like ID.me/equifax/bureau will be the situation for "serious" networks (linkedin, facebook, chat, etc).

Re:People paid to train AI are outsourcing their work to AI by autoexecdotbat on Thursday June 22, 2023 @08:38PM (#36441219)
I wonder how far off we are from an AI with a forged birth certificate.