Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible
by Hamuko on Thursday June 22, 2023 @04:15PM
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They all had to sign multi-page waivers that mention "death" no less than three times on the first page.
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Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible
by AH4oFVbPT4f8 on Thursday June 22, 2023 @04:34PM
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That is simply wild, is the multi-page waiver available to read?
Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible
by Hamuko on Thursday June 22, 2023 @04:43PM
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I haven't seen the full waiver anywhere. The death being mentioned three times comes from someone who took an earlier Titan dive. However, it is mentioned in David Pogue's story about OceanGate: https://youtu.be/29co_Hksk6o?t=160
Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible
by hotpotamus on Thursday June 22, 2023 @05:02PM
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It also occurs to me that there should be no more sophisticated consumer than a billionaire. If one really wanted, I'd imagine they could build their own submersible to their own safety specifications.
Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible
by taberiand on Thursday June 22, 2023 @05:32PM
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Many billionaires, including the one on board, frequently demonstrate how wholly unsophisticated and arrogant they are. Extreme hubris was on display by everyone involved.
Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible
by jacquesm on Thursday June 22, 2023 @05:46PM
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I would reserve judgment on that, there was a teenager involved and I highly doubt they were of an age which allowed them to absorb the knowledge to properly evaluate the risks. There also was his dad and the CEO of the company on board which may have given him an extra degree of feeling that the risks were acceptable.
Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible
by krisoft on Thursday June 22, 2023 @06:43PM
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Yes. I feel bad for that guy the most. So young, and of course he probably didn’t had the resources to independently verify the safety of the sub. Unlike the millionaire passengers could have just thrown tenth of the ticket price at any marine engineer who would have been able to explain to them how dangerous the whole thing is.
Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible
by taberiand on Thursday June 22, 2023 @06:41PM
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Ok. Extreme hubris was on display by everyone involved except maybe one of them, the adult son.
Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible
by adql on Thursday June 22, 2023 @07:24PM
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Common misconception, don't need to be intelligent or sophisticated to be one, social skills and utter ruthlessness seem to be way more indicative.
Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible
by dkjaudyeqooe on Thursday June 22, 2023 @05:04PM
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Easily dismissed by "the lawyers made us do it" for people who were drawn to the "adventure" of the trip or the allure of the Titanic.
Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible
by Alupis on Thursday June 22, 2023 @06:33PM
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> They all had to sign multi-page waivers that mention "death" no less than three times on the first page.
You sign similar waivers for all kinds of benign things - including amusement park tickets, concerts, skateboard parks, etc.
I have a feeling the safety of this contraption was grossly oversold to the passengers...
Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible
by ApolloFortyNine on Thursday June 22, 2023 @07:12PM
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It's one of the best arguments over that whole 'this product is known to the state of California to cause cancer' warnings.
When you have to start putting that on coffee cups, it loses all meaning.
Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible
by bluefirebrand on Thursday June 22, 2023 @07:46PM
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People have to sign those waivers very often for significantly less risky activities like going ziplining, so let's not pretend signing a waiver is the same as actual informed consent.