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Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible by akira2501 on Thursday June 22, 2023 @01:38PM (#36435830)
I thought that loss of communication was an expected part of the trip due to the depth.
Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible by agumonkey on Thursday June 22, 2023 @01:53PM (#36436071)
I wonder if typical deep sea exploration use relay all along the descent, to ensure comms and raise rescue capabilities.
Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible by civilitty on Thursday June 22, 2023 @02:36PM (#36436736)
The three main methods are: acoustic using SONAR to receive data, tether or umbilical cord, and buoy based where the DSV releases a buoy that ascends to the top.

Relays don't really work because you'd need a LOT of them and they'd all have to keep themselves positioned within like 30 meters of each other which is very hard with ocean currents. That's with very low bandwidth VLF radio.

Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible by moffkalast on Thursday June 22, 2023 @02:44PM (#36436854)
Kinda weird that they didn't have an optical cable tether tbh.
Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible by denlekke on Thursday June 22, 2023 @03:18PM (#36437291)
wouldn't it basically need to be the same as what they use for intercontinental cables ? tons of shielding and repeaters. maybe there'd be further risk bc if it breaks at the ship it could fall on or weigh down the submersible
Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible by moffkalast on Thursday June 22, 2023 @03:23PM (#36437361)
Not at all. Shielding against what? It's light. You only need enough of a protective coat to make sure it's stiff enough to not twist and stretch too much and to make it neutrally buoyant. No repeaters needed, base range is about 40-60 km. ROVs going to greater depths use them all the time without major issues.

The real reason is that they were stingy as fuck and that it's mildly impractical which outweighed their complete disregard for safety.

Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible by akira2501 on Thursday June 22, 2023 @03:50PM (#36437788)
> intercontinental cables

Those also carry electrical power to supply the inline repeaters on those cables. If the cable does not have repeaters, it wouldn't need this, and the shielding could be greatly reduced.

Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible by bg46z on Thursday June 22, 2023 @03:11PM (#36437182)
Would be extremely heavy and very brittle
Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible by rootusrootus on Thursday June 22, 2023 @03:43PM (#36437671)
There are deep sea submersibles designed to go a good bit deeper than Titanic which have optical tethers.
Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible by agumonkey on Thursday June 22, 2023 @03:53PM (#36437824)
dumb question, are there positioning system for sea exploration ? I assume GPS dies off quickly but maybe something else ?
Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible by saberdancer on Thursday June 22, 2023 @04:13PM (#36438200)
They have inertial navigation system.
Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible by civilitty on Thursday June 22, 2023 @04:47PM (#36438730)
ROVs usually use a ultrashort baseline acoustic positioning system [1] paired with the surface vessel.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-short_baseline_acoustic_...