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Re: by isaacremuant on Thursday June 22, 2023 @07:57AM (#36430770)
I can't believe people downvote replies to this and not this ridiculous partisan statement.

The trump derangement syndrome is one of the least undemocratic things I've seen in US politics.

The whole Jan 6 narrative is also quite ridiculous. Akin to the FBI manufactured terror plots to continue having funding.

I still remember people protesting the election the next day after trump won and claiming he'd put minorities in concentration camps.

All we ended up with was hysterics by the opposition party, tweets, surprisingly less war than usual (but still increase in spending in defense and not really draining any swamp) and some diplomacy and little more. But hey, since "literally Hitler #23 (aka repub president) was in power we had to pretend he was a Russian spy for years and that the election was stolen/hacked.

The insane partisan bias displayed my most tech giants percolates so strongly that people have lost the ability of nuance. It's either the whole package or nothing (and this goes for red or blue, the biggest US false dichotomy).

Re: by Joker_vD on Thursday June 22, 2023 @08:31AM (#36431141)
During the Trump/Biden elections, I distinctly remember the "these elections probably are also being manipulated by the Russians right now" narrative being dropped the moment it became obvious that Biden's winning. Well, if the right candidate wins, the elections must have been fair.
Re: by icefo on Thursday June 22, 2023 @08:55AM (#36431416)
The elections can be skewed with different kind of manipulation (social media, troll farms, electronic ballot hacks) and the popular candidate can still win.

It's fair to assume Putin would try to influence the elections in trump's favor as he would have been beneficial for him.

The Ukraine invasion would have been much easier if trump had been relelected, finished pulling out of nato and kept the more isolationist policy that was in effect during trump.

IMO trump was also doing a lot of damage to the US and it's position on the world stage which is also beneficial for Putin.

Re: by mrguyorama on Friday June 23, 2023 @11:58AM (#36448677)
Trump was also just openly very favorable to Putin, considering him a "friend" (which is insane) and trusting him over his own intelligence community.
Re: by isaacremuant on Friday June 23, 2023 @05:34PM (#36452451)
> The Ukraine invasion would have been much easier if trump had been relelected, finished pulling out of nato and kept the more isolationist policy that was in effect during trump.

It wouldn't have occured because NATO and the US wouldn't have been escalating it the way they did post and pre Trump.

I know this is not the right narrative (TM) but for anyone who remembers wars are not about good Vs evil but geopolitics, they'll realize the interests at play.

But hey, Iraq has WMDs and Vietnam... Er... Something.